VW now requires Synthetic Oils for the Turbo 1.8 liter 4 cylinder engine

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ron Ginsberg, Aug 26, 2004.

  1. Ron Ginsberg

    Ron Ginsberg Guest

    I own a 2000 Passat with the turbo motor. VW just sent me a notice that
    explained they were increasing my engine warranty to 8 years from the
    vehicle's original in-service date without a mileage limitation. The reason
    is engine failure related to sludge build-up. This is in engines that were
    following the manufacturers oil change interval of 5,000 miles. From this
    point onward the require the use of only synthetic oil that meet's VW's
    standard. They actually sent a list and not all synthetic oils are on it.
    They will be adding additional oils to the list.

    This fits right in with the posts above. I had never used syn in my Passat.
    Even though I knew turbos could cook the oil and choke, accumulate sludge
    etc.,I thought that I had enough of a margin of safety because I change the
    oil every 5,000 miles. I don't run at high rpm in the heat under load
    except perhaps for a few seconds at a time once in a while.

    Evidently VW had thought so as well, which is why the NEVER required
    synthetic oil. Until now. Engine failures out of warranty from good
    customers who were not using their engines outside of their design
    intentions. Note that VW has not reduced the oil change interval, and it
    has not said that if you use regular oil and change it every 3,000 miles.
    Regular oil is now outside the warranty. And those who did use regular oil
    and can show that they changed it every 5,000 miles have an eight year
    warranty on their pre- new oil standard purchased cars. Note that the car
    came new with regular oil and that is what VW dealers put in during regular
    oil changes.

    So now I will switch. But my 1997 T&C van with 136,000 miles will continue
    to run on dyno oil.
    Ron Ginsberg, Aug 26, 2004
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    Libby Guest

    I own a 2003 Passat with the 1.8 turbo. I just took it in to the
    dealership for a brake issue and, as long as they had it, asked them
    to do an oil change. Without telling me, they changed the engine out
    to synthetic oil. When I got the bill, it was twice as much as a
    regular oil change. It was only when I asked that they explained the
    issue (as noted below). My other car is a 2000 Audi A4 1.8 turbo. So,
    I'm getting hit double. My new lesson -- never again will both my cars
    have the same engine.

    So, in order to get my warranty, I now have to pay more for my oil
    changes? The cost of oil maintenance now just DOUBLED for the life of
    the car. Since it's *their* problem, shouldn't it be solved at *their*
    expense?? Does anyone have any suggestions or remedies? (I'm just a
    little ticked off).

    Libby, Sep 7, 2004
  3. Ron Ginsberg

    Threeducks Guest

    Skip going to Starbucks for a week so you can afford the $30 for an oil
    Threeducks, Sep 7, 2004
  4. Ron Ginsberg

    Libby Guest

    Thanks, jocko. Your response would have been oh-so-helpful if:
    1.) affordability was an issue from my post. I can afford $12.50/qt.
    oil -- I'm just not in the mood to pay to cover a manufacturer's
    mistake -- especially while both vehicles are still under warranty.
    b.) I actually spent money on overpriced burnt coffee. Seems both
    Starbucks and VW have sludge issues.
    Libby, Sep 7, 2004
  5. OK couple things.

    First of all, learn to do your own oil changes. It's not hard, and you buy
    oil on sale. I use Dyno oil and I get the stuff for under a buck a quart.
    even 50 cents a quart, depending on who's the rebate of the week. I've seen
    plenty of rebating going on with Synthetic oil as well. Oil changing is
    easy to do
    and once you get the proper tools only takes about 15 minutes and if you
    what your doing you don't get dirty. I've changed oil in my driveway in the
    morning in 20 minutes when I've been wearing a business suit without a
    I don't recommend doing it like this but I know it can be done without
    up looking like the Creature from the Black Lagoon. If you use a good tall
    strong floor jack, keep your tools clean, use rubber gloves, and a shop coat
    over your clothes, you can do it.

    Second, 5,000 miles is too long a change interval for regular oil for a
    car. You should go 3K miles for regular oil and 6K miles for synthetic.
    bad VW's engineers set it at 5K for synthetic but they were obviously
    No longer. These extended drain interval recommendations are coming from
    marketing departments trying to sell cars to people who use a slide rule to
    figure out the total cost of oil changes over the life of the car at the
    time of
    purchase, and by adjusting the drain interval you make the total
    bill come out lower, so they buy your car.

    Third, you never use regular oil in a turbo engine. I cannot believe that
    in 2000
    v-dub's engineers were stupid enough to spec regular oil. By then the
    of coking up dyno oil in turbos was known by everybody and their dog and
    monkey. If I had bought your VW in 2000 I wouldn't have ever used regular
    oil in it. Just one more marketing baloney spec to adjust the maintainence

    Last, chill out. Use some math and calculate out the total cost of oil
    over the life of the car. It's insignificant. Your going to pay more than
    in fuel costs due to unforseen fuel cost increases over the life of the car.
    is it that VW owners all feel the world owes them something? VW did you
    a big favor. After about 4 changes with Synthetic the inside of your engine
    will be cleaned out with little to no lasting damage.

    Ted Mittelstaedt, Sep 8, 2004
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    Threeducks Guest

    Mobile 1 costs $4.50/quart at any autoparts store.

    -- I'm just not in the mood to pay to cover a manufacturer's
    Threeducks, Sep 8, 2004
  7. Ron Ginsberg

    Libby Guest

    Mobil 1 no longer meets VW's oil requirements (as noted in the
    technical bulletin they mailed).

    Libby, Sep 9, 2004
  8. I am curious to know which synthetics VW recommends. I used to buy a
    synthetic made by Chevron, until it was no longer available. It was
    $3.99 a quart. More recently, I have used a synthetic sold under the
    NAPA name, that is manufactured by Ashland, which produces the
    Valvoline brand. It was $3.49 a quart.

    Mobil 1 seems to be popular with this group. Most places charge $4.99
    a quart from what I have seen.

    What makes one synthetic better than others?

    -Kirk Matheson
    Kirk Matheson, Sep 9, 2004
  9. Ja, it iss necessary to use only fine prezishun Churrman syntetic oil, not
    dis cheap domestic *scheisse*.

    On the road of life, there are drivers, there are passengers, and there
    are dead VWs in the breakdown lane.
    Daniel J. Stern, Sep 9, 2004
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    Richard Guest

    Go to Wal-Mart. Mobil 1 5qt container is under $20.00 in various viscosity
    groups. Mobil uses a synthetic base and synthetic additives. It is a proven
    product. This is not to say others are not as good.

    Richard, Sep 9, 2004
  11. What do you do with your old oil?

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling

    Dori A Schmetterling, Sep 14, 2004
  12. Pour it back into the bottles your new oil came in and take it to your
    local recycle center. In some states local gas stations that do oil
    changes are required to take used oil.
    Alex Rodriguez, Sep 18, 2004
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