Tough technical questions

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Oct 13, 2004.

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    Nomen Nescio Guest

    1. The application is to install a rotary shaft oil seal in an aluminum
    housing. The configuration of the seal is with a rubber coated outside
    diameter. The fit in the bored housing is a light push fit. I suspect the
    seal will work loose on its own during service. What is the best way to
    install this seal? Options I've considered include replacing this seal
    constructed with a metal o.d., but this is not normally recommended due to
    the high coefficient of expansion. A more promising solution is to "glue"
    the seal in with Loctite 495, cyanoacrylate adhesive. Will that work?

    2. The problem is installing a chain sprocket onto a keyed tapered shaft
    which is then secured with a retaining nut. What is the best practice:
    Install on clean and dry taper, install on greased taper, or apply a high
    strength Loctite 272 to the taper before assembly? The idea is to make a
    good assembly but be able to disassemble with no more than a puller without
    heat. Am I correct in assuming that the key is designed for indexing but
    the torque is taken up by the taper? If the taper is greased, removal is
    easy, but the torque might be passed on to the key and cause localized
    stress and failure. Clean and dry I think is the standard way of assembly,
    but Loctite application may be in common practice too.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Oct 13, 2004
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    Hairy Guest

    Loctite 609 would be a better choice, IMO. 495 is just common super glue,
    and would probably not be suitable for use on oil seals.
    Yes

    If the taper is greased, removal is
    I agree with the "clean and dry". If you are worried about it loosening on
    the shaft, you could always heat the sprocket in a pan of water before assy,
    then immediately torque the nut down. A little 242 on the threads would keep
    the nut from loosening.
    H
     
    Hairy, Oct 13, 2004
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  3. I would clean the parts and then add a thin layer of grease. Then torque
    the bolt to specs. Even with gease, you will need a puller to get the
    sprocket off. Because it is a tapered press fit the sprocket will still
    move a bit up the taper.
     
    Alex Rodriguez, Oct 13, 2004
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    Bill Putney Guest

    I don't have an answer for the specific application, but from a
    design/engineering standpoint, I would follow the written procedure as
    far as grease or no grease. I say that because, unless there is a
    positive stop (a step), the stresses on a tapered fit will go up maybe
    an order of magnitude or more for the same bolt/nut torque, possibly
    stretching or breaking the sprocket if it was not designted for that
    stress (i.e., if it was designed assuming no grease).

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    adddress with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Oct 13, 2004
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    Eightupman Guest

    FYI....."cyanoacrylate" = Super Glue. while superglue bonds a lot of low
    stress applications, I do not think that the brittle properties of that
    adhesive will accomplish your desired task.

    As far as I know the dry taper and the keyway is all you need. As long as
    the keyway fits snug into the shaft, part of it's purpose is to prevent
    rotation.
     
    Eightupman, Oct 13, 2004
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    Nate Nagel Guest

    I suppose a seal with a slightly larger o.d. is not available? that
    would be the ideal option. The seal ought to need to be pressed or
    lightly hammered in to have any hope of reliable retention.
    FWIW the standard practice for dealing with tapered-end rear axles
    with separate hubs (commonly used on Studebaker, AMC and others) is to
    install them clean and dry. They require a lot of force to separate
    when torqued to spec, so no worries there. I have heard tell of
    people lubing the tapers and subsequently splitting the cast iron
    hubs.

    nate
     
    Nate Nagel, Oct 15, 2004
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Precisely the point I was making.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    adddress with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Oct 15, 2004
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