The Last Really Good Chrysler Product

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ted Azito, Oct 20, 2004.

  1. Ted Azito

    Bill Putney Guest

    Gives a whole new meaning to the word "woodpecker". 8^)

    Bill Putney
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    Bill Putney, Oct 24, 2004
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  2. Ted Azito

    Bill Putney Guest

    That could be true if he had an "accident" with a chain saw.

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    Bill Putney, Oct 24, 2004
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  3. Ted Azito

    Bill Putney Guest

    Thanks, James.

    I forgot to mention that in Art's parallel universe, Christopher Reeve
    is still dead (in spite of the ignorance and dishonesty of Ron Regan,
    Jr. and Reeve's widow's in the disinformation campaign on the subject
    and the Dem's employment of them as useful idiots - sorry - there's no
    other term for what they are doing), and Libya still maintains an
    arsenal of WMD's.

    Bill Putney
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    Bill Putney, Oct 24, 2004
    #63
  4. | James C. Reeves wrote:
    |
    | > |
    | > | Oh yes - I know, Art, how in a parallel universe in which the PoTUS was
    | > | Gore or Kerry for the last 4 years the Islamists are all just peace and
    | > | love, 9/11 never happened, flu shots are abounding, women still can't
    | > | vote in Afghanistan, Afghanistan no longer produces poppies as the raw
    | > | materials for it's biggest export, Kofi Anan's son stopped making
    | > | under-the-table deals with France and Germany in the Oil for Food
    | > | program which was their motivation for blocking the taking out of Sadam,
    | > | Sadam quit offering and paying suicide bomber/murderers' families for
    | > | their loving acts against innocents, the DNC recalled it's policy of
    | > | routing out voter fraud wherever they could find it and, where it didn't
    | > | exist, to plant the idea that it did anyway in the minds of the public,
    | > | everyone is covered by free cradle-to-grave health insurance while taxes
    | > | have dropped to their lowest levels ever and the national debt has been
    | > | wiped out, industry is being punished by disincentives to keep
    | > | production in the U.S. yet they are magically doubling the size of all
    | > | their U.S. production facilities every year, genocide was prevented by
    | > | the UN in Sudan, U.S. unemployment figures match the double-digit
    | > | numbers of France and Germany, and Al Franken and James Carville both
    | > | have viable radio talk shows.
    | > |
    | > | I just can't wait for the Kerry Utopian society in which we need to pass
    | > | the Global Approval Test before we take appropriate action in light of
    | > | the Oil for Food stuff and absolute appalling UN inaction in Sudan (I
    | > | guess they're waiting once again for the U.S. to go in and try to fix it
    | > | so we get the blame for any and all problems and the other countries can
    | > | continue to profit from the situation). Yes - we want a guy as
    | > | President who met with the Viet Cong in Paris while the war was still
    | > | going on - Yeah - that's my man for President! What a joke.
    | > |
    | > | Bill Putney
    | > | (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    | > | adddress with the letter 'x')
    | > |
    | >
    | > Well stated...
    |
    | Thanks, James.
    |
    | I forgot to mention that in Art's parallel universe, Christopher Reeve
    | is still dead (in spite of the ignorance and dishonesty of Ron Regan,
    | Jr. and Reeve's widow's in the disinformation campaign on the subject
    | and the Dem's employment of them as useful idiots - sorry - there's no
    | other term for what they are doing), and Libya still maintains an
    | arsenal of WMD's.
    |
    | Bill Putney
    | (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    | adddress with the letter 'x')
    |

    I thought Christopher Reeve was walking in his universe.
     
    James C. Reeves, Oct 24, 2004
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  5. Ted Azito

    Bill Putney Guest

    Nope - because there would be no solution from embryonic stem cell
    research - Reeve himself acknowledged that. People are free to do
    research with it if they wish to - it isn't forbidden like the Dems are
    trying to make it sound. If the Dems are really convinced that there
    would be benefit in the research and are genuinely concerned with
    helping people (yeah, right!), looks like Soros and Heinz-Kerry could
    pool a small fraction of their money for that (even though it would be a
    big waste of money over what is being accomplished from adult stem cell
    research). But, as we all know, the important thing isn't that people
    are genuinely helped. What's important is that people are used and
    confused.

    Bill Putney
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    Bill Putney, Oct 24, 2004
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  6. Ted Azito

    Ted Azito Guest

    No, Doc, I'll call you a ****. And I'll be right.
     
    Ted Azito, Oct 25, 2004
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  7. Ted Azito

    Ted Azito Guest

    According to the road test (and the abovementioned former owner), the
    The turbo engines are a lot more suited to vehicle use than the
    naturally aspirated ones: they were idiots to use the NA version if
    that's what they did. And in any event, the /6 in full size pickups
    was an obstruction to traffic too, especially the three on the tree
    ones. The SD33 or any other 3.3 liter (200 cid) engine was a smaller
    engine than a fullsize truck should have if it is going to be used on
    the highway at all. (Keep in mind a lot of pickups and vans in the old
    days were sold to fleet buyers who never got out of town or up to
    highway speeds and if it was faster than a horse they were happy.
    People started buying pickups more for personal vehicles in the late
    70s, but there was still a market segment totally unconcerned with
    speed.)
     
    Ted Azito, Oct 25, 2004
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  8. Ted Azito

    Steve Guest

    Just wait. If Kerry gets elected and follows through on his promise to
    raise taxes on business owners, just WATCH how fast the economy hits the
    tanks. The miniscule reduction in the deficit (independent studies say
    Kerry's plan will hit a 1.27 T, Bush's 1.33T- a vanishingly small
    difference) will be nothing compared to the lost jobs and loss of
    revenue stream flowing through the economy.
     
    Steve, Oct 25, 2004
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  9. Ted Azito

    Steve Guest

    Daniel J. Stern wrote:

    Every time the memory almost dies, someone has to go and resurrect that
    clunker. Installing that engine (and I use the term loosely...) was one
    of Chrysler's few all-out bloody screaming mistakes.
    Accurate metaphor. Disturbing, and not easily purged from the mental
    viewscreen, but accurate.
     
    Steve, Oct 25, 2004
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  10. Ted Azito

    Steve Guest

    The road test I recall referred to "spewing unburned liquid diesel out
    the tailpipe for 5 minutes after a start on a cold morning," and that
    was assuming you could persuade it to start at all.

    Being able to say "well, at least it wasn't an Oldsmobile diesel" is
    damning with faint praise.
     
    Steve, Oct 25, 2004
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  11. Ted Azito

    Steve Guest

    Ted Azito wrote:

    The contemporary Ford diesel was naturally aspirated, and was actually
    quite successful throughout the 80s. Yes, it got 200% better when they
    finally hung a turbo on it, spurred by Dodge releasing the Cummins turbo
    diesel, but it was perfectly acceptable as it was. The Nissan diesel was
    not acceptable under any definition.

    Uh... no.
     
    Steve, Oct 25, 2004
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  12. YES! I'd forgotten about that, but now you mention it, I remember laughing
    out loud and shaking my head when I read that.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Oct 25, 2004
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  13. Ted Azito

    Ted Azito Guest

    Blowing raw fuel out after cold start is the symptom for glow plugs
    not working or not used on prechamber engines. No mystery why they
    wouldn't start.

    That said the NA 3.3 was too small for the fullsize truck-unless you
    never need to go over 50 mph as was the case for some in-town
    vocational trucks. Many medium duty straight trucks were sold with
    four cylinder Cumminses and three or four cylinder Detroits which
    wouldn't do 55 mph with a van body up through the late sixties or
    early seventies. Many bread vans with gas engines wouldn't either. Had
    they used the turbo engine performance would have bettered the /6
    which admittedly isn't saying much...

    Properly used these are remarkable powerplants, but they are 200
    CID...not 400.
     
    Ted Azito, Oct 26, 2004
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  14. Mm. So, three different sources telling the same fib due to malfunctioning
    glow plugs on three different engines, eh? Obviously, because otherwise it
    would mean the engines were garbage, and since Ted Azito says they are the
    very paragon of automotive powerplant engineering, that couldn't
    *possibly* be so. Ignore the utter market failure of the engine; that's
    just a conspiracy to make Ted Azito look like he doesn't know what the
    hell he's talking about.
    ....blah blah blah...
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Oct 26, 2004
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  15. Ted Azito

    Steve Guest

    Except for the fact that this article was written in 1978 and it was a
    BRAND NEW TRUCK!
    Remarkably crappy, that is. The Cummins B5.9 is only 360 CID, and works
    just great in vehicles more than 4x the weight of a D-100, so the fact
    that its "only" 200 CID is no excuse.
     
    Steve, Oct 26, 2004
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  16. Ted Azito

    Matt Whiting Guest

    You shouldn't need the glow plugs to ignite the fuel for very long after
    engine start. It is also a symptom of a very poorly calibrated fuel
    injection pump or improperly sized injectors.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Oct 26, 2004
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  17. Ted Azito

    Art Guest

    Funny Bill, but in reality Bush has had only one successful policy in his
    first (and most likely last term). It was the "Do Not Call" list. I
    suspect he will go down in history as the Do Not Call President.
     
    Art, Oct 27, 2004
    #77
  18. Ted Azito

    aaa Guest

    Gee.
    I never knew they made a first !
     
    aaa, Oct 28, 2004
    #78
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