The DMV is so insidious. They are allowed to tax used property sales.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by LovingPerson, Feb 24, 2004.

  1. LovingPerson

    The Real Bev Guest

    I'm sure they don't enforce it, but it's still The Law.

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    The Real Bev, Feb 26, 2004
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  2. LovingPerson

    The Real Bev Guest

    Wouldn't that only apply if you sold the car for more than you paid for
    it?

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    The Real Bev, Feb 26, 2004
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  3. LovingPerson

    fbloogyudsr Guest

    This is *not* true. Sales tax is *not* itemizable (is that a real verb?)
    Only *excise* tax can be itemized.

    Floyd (lives in WA state and knows)
     
    fbloogyudsr, Feb 26, 2004
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  4. That may be the case in the state in which you live, but please understand that
    states can and do explicity exempt occasional (ie. not more than once per quarter)
    yard sales and the like from sales tax requirements. For example, South Carolina
    and Massachusetts do have such an exemption.
     
    Wendy Marshall, Feb 26, 2004
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  5. Then you're playing their game.
     
    Matthew Russotto, Feb 26, 2004
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  6. If states add your state refund back into your _state_ income, they are taxing
    you on your refund, which is double-taxation.

    If you itemize, you have to add state refunds back into your Federal
    income, but that's because you deducted that amount the year before.
     
    Matthew Russotto, Feb 26, 2004
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  7. If you don't itemize, you don't deduct state taxes and therefore do
    not have to add the refund into the federal income. You've been
    handing the IRS money even they don't think they deserve. See the
    instructions for line 10.
     
    Matthew Russotto, Feb 26, 2004
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  8. Nope. Pennsylvania, for one, specifically exempts such things. I can
    hold a yard sale and sell all my old crap and legally not be required
    to collect and pay any sales tax (nor PA income tax) on it. Not all
    the country is yet the hell that is California government.
     
    Matthew Russotto, Feb 26, 2004
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  9. This year NY state is adding a line where you are supposed to put in
    any mail order or out of state purchases you made so that they can collect
    the full NY sales tax, or the difference between what you paid in the other
    state and the NY state sales tax. I wonder how many people are actually
    going to put in an amount on that line?
     
    Alex Rodriguez, Feb 26, 2004
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  10. Hardly just the fault of unions. I'm no union apologist, but there
    aren't unions keeping in business departments in the government whose
    jobs were done 50 years ago.



    John
     
    The Lindbergh Baby, Feb 26, 2004
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  11. LovingPerson

    John Kunkel Guest

    You're blaming the wrong entity, DMV merely acts as an agent and collects
    the "use tax" for the Board of Equalization, blame them.

    That's been going on for years, as long as the claimed sale price is within
    reason. If DMV disagrees with the value of the car they have authority to
    require appraisal (at your expense) so keep it within reason.
    John
     
    John Kunkel, Feb 26, 2004
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  12. LovingPerson

    MikeHunt2 Guest

    Why in the word do you 'lend' your money to the government
    interest free every year? One should set their withholding
    so as to deduct what they owe annually, or even a bit less.


    mike hunt
     
    MikeHunt2, Feb 26, 2004
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  13. LovingPerson

    Carl Guest

    Not true in the State of Maryland. The Federal Government requires
    that you list your previous year's state refund as income as you had
    already taken a deduction on the "full" amount of taxes paid to the
    state in that year. In order to then do the Maryland taxes, you take
    the gross income figure from your federal return and SUBTRACT out the
    refund of the previous year.
     
    Carl, Feb 26, 2004
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  14. LovingPerson

    C.R. Krieger Guest

    Last time I checked, sales tax *could* be deducted as an itemized
    expense. The thing is, I once tracked it (some 20 years ago) and it
    didn't even come close to being worth the bother.
     
    C.R. Krieger, Feb 26, 2004
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  15. I've never heard of getting a refund of sales tax paid, only income tax
    if it was overpaid, so I presume that was the topic of discussion here.
    State income tax is indeed deductible if you itemize.

    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Feb 26, 2004
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  16. Sales tax hasn't been deductible any time in my recollection, which is
    more than 20 years ago. Which country are you talking about?


    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Feb 26, 2004
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  17. LovingPerson

    fbloogyudsr Guest

    As an *expense* vis-a-vis a business, yes. But one of the side effects
    of Reagan's tax reform was that state sales tax is no longer able to
    be deducted (in the same manner as excise tax) on Form 1040
    schedule A (which is generally limited to income, real estate, &
    personal property taxes).

    FloydR
     
    fbloogyudsr, Feb 26, 2004
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  18. It's not The Law in California either. Occasional sales, such as garage sales, are
    generally not subject to sales tax if the seller is not engaged in business
    requiring a seller's permit and has less than three garage sale type sales per year.
    See CA tax sections 6006.5 and 6367.
     
    Wendy Marshall, Feb 27, 2004
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  19. LovingPerson

    DTJ Guest

    Your point? Maybe you should read more carefully. Everybody who does
    not itemize can take the standard deduction. However, the amount of
    the deduction is far higher than they are entitled to, because people
    who do not itemize do not have deductions equal to the standard
    deduction. Ergo they take deductions that exceed their actual
    expense, which of course leads to the statement that they are getting
    a deduction that is greater than they should be.

    I can only assume your confusion is due to your being a liberal who
    feels we are only entitled to that which the government gives us.
     
    DTJ, Feb 27, 2004
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  20. LovingPerson

    DTJ Guest

    Yes it could, back before the Reagan years!!!
     
    DTJ, Feb 27, 2004
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