The DMV is so insidious. They are allowed to tax used property sales.

"The Lindbergh Baby"


| Now if you only knew how the REST of the government screws you even
| worse! ;-) ;-)

Just be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for <g>

 

I have offen thought that the DMV is out of
control. They make you think that the roads belong
to them personaly and not the people of NC. But
then the DMV dose what they are told to do by the
insurance companys. I do know that the millions
that they collect from us are not being used to
keep the roads passable, and build new bridges
where needed. I think it was better living in the
60 - 70 - and 80's. you didn't have to worry about
braking the governments nose if you turned a
corner to sharp. The car tax is a real sore spot
with me to. They charge you a book price, that
they made up, and if you don't like it you have to
tow the car around to 2 dealers and get it
apprised and they still don't have to accept it. I
think we work for them, they realy have us all by
the short hairs.

Warren

 

Steve,
Unfortunately that is not the case, last year's state refund seems
like it is taxed by your state as state tax can be deducted from
your federal taxes, but not your state taxes. To get around this,
states the refund back into your income (or subtract any payment
from it). It is just a year behind.

chuck

 

typo in my follow up. I meant to say "states add the refund
back into your income." in the next to the last line. duh!

 

And as I stated in my email, you are wrong. It doesn't "SEEM" anything. We
have to claim last years refund as this years income on the state return.
Just as stated before. There also is no deduction from the federal return
for the state tax.

sorry.

 

The main argument is that government could be much smaller than it
actually is. But you'll never see the end of the political hacks so
government will never get smaller.

Same is also true for law enforcement - we have more of it now than ever
thanks to the war on drugs. But it's a war we can never win, hell, every
cop I've met knows this.

But they can't dismantle the infrastructure already there easily because
of unions.

It's one unending cycle.

 

Steve,
If that were the case, then you can have your employer withhold
less of your earnings which goes towards your state income tax.
That way you would not get a much of a refund or perhaps you
will have to pay some when you file your state taxes as maybe
not enough was withheld. But, you would not be taxed twice.
Right?

It does not make sense that you can effectively adjust your
taxes by adjusting your withholdings.

In Virginia, we take the federal gross income and carry it to
the state form. Then we then take last years state refund,
social security and some other incomes and SUBTRACT them
all from the federal gross income giving the Virginia adjusted
income.

I am not trying to argue, I think that you seeing that
last years state refund is used in the state adjusted in-
come calculation. The question is what is going on in
Kansas' calculation?

Here in Virginia we had a court case that went as follows if
I recall. State employees paid into a retirement fund using
money that was not tax deductible. Then when the funds were
drawn on after retirement, the entire payment was taxed.
That is double taxation and the state lost the court case.
They have been dragging their feet in paying as it was over
many years and was big $$. Don't recall if the retirees ever
got their money.

chuck

PS: Please take a look at federal schedule A, line 5. State taxes
and local income taxes are a federal deduction when you itemize..
I have the forms in front of me.

 

Poor planning, eh?


Matt

 

Nothing going on. Just adding the refund from last year to the income.

We don't itemize. Please see line 10 on form 1040.

I did however dig back into this and found you are partially correct. And
_I_ had it backwards. We have to ADD the state refund into the adjusted
gross on the Federal, (line 10 form 1040) AND we deduct it from the adjusted
gross on the state form (K-40 line 2)

 

If you itemize deductions on your 1040, then you can claim state taxes
as a deduction.

Matt

 

I'm afraid you're confused here, Ted. If you buy a ready-to-eat hamburger in
Washington, you are required to pay Washington's sales tax (in this case, it's
actually the meals tax), whether your domicile is Oregon, Ontario, or China.

However, if you buy something in Wasington for *delivery* elsewhere, than
Washington does not charge you the tax. Since that hamburger isn't delivered
out of the state, you ow them the tax on it.

A washing machine delivered to Oregon or a car registered in Oregon are examples
of goods bought for delivery elsewhere. Because of the registration factor,
cars are one of the few items you can deliver to the state yourself instead of
having it shipped.

True. Except the tax due to Washington isn't "sales" tax, as the sale didn't
take place in Washington. Nor can Washington tax the goods imported from
another state because of the Constitution's interstate commerce clause (except
alcohol due to the 21st amendment). What Washington CAN due is require you to
pay "use" tax on the goods. I believe every state with a sales tax also has an
equivalent "use" tax. In practice, it's nearly impossible for them to do this
because it is so hard to enforce. However, states are starting to require
taxpayers to declare use tax on their state income forms, so if you lie about it
you are committing perjury, which would be another offense if they find a way to
catch use tax evasion in the future. (States are getting aggressive with taxing
mail order cigarette sales too).

 

DMVs don't make laws or tax policy, they just enforce them. The tax goes
to the state treasury. Can't blame the DMV for this one, your legislature
makes the decisions.

 

Many states exempt occasional yard sales from sales tax requirements. They're
not just making a nice gesture, it would also be time/cost consuming for them
to enforce this for very little tax revenue.

 

The only "income" from selling a car would have to be figured by subtracting
the amount you originally paid for the car (the tax basis). Since it's
unusual these days to sell a car for more than you pay for it, it's not
common to get income from selling a car. However, I don't know any states
that permit you to take a loss for a (non collectible) car either.

 

Sorry you are an idiot. I sure hope you pay someone to do your taxes,
maybe a five year old.

 

Further, if you don't itemize, you get the standard deduction, which
is far higher than most people are actually entitled to.

 

Huh? Everybody who doesn't itemize is entitled to the standard deduction.

 

It's truly a beautiful place, but it nearly self-destructed when it
decided that the timber business was sinful and threw the loggers and
those who depended on them out of business. Last time we drove down the
Rogue River nearly every house was for sale. We could have bought a
lovely house on the river for next to nothing. Feh.

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Every California sales transaction, no matter how minor, is taxed. As
far as cars go, we've always bought old cars and they took our word for
what we paid for them. Since they're so old, the annual fee is $51 for
the van and $78 (I think) for the pickup, which needs a commercial
license due to lobbying efforts by the truckers' unions unless you plan
to never carry lumber, manure, cement or a number of other things in the
bed.

Actually, you don't have to pay tax on items whose sales tax at the
local rate would be less than a penny. When I worked at Sears I (and
every other salesperson) had the table memorized, but it's different
now.

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