Spark Plugs for 4.7L V–8 2005 Dakota

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by bryan ohio, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. bryan ohio

    bryan ohio Guest

    The Service Manual for the 2005 Dakota has this warning:

    The 4.7L V–8 engine is equipped with copper core ground electrode
    spark plugs. They must be
    replaced with the same type/number spark plug as the original. If
    another spark plug is substituted, preignition
    will result.

    Champion, Autolite, NKG, Bosch, etc want to sell me platinum plugs.
    What's the reason for the need for copper core?

    TIA.
     
    bryan ohio, Sep 23, 2008
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    Bill Putney Guest

    What the heck do they mean by "ground electrode"?

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    Bill Putney, Sep 23, 2008
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    Bill Putney Guest

    I think I just figured it out. They literally do mean that the ground
    (outer) electrode is solid copper. Copper is a very good thermal
    conductor, so having that electrode made of copper lessens the
    likelihood of pre-ignition because it will be cooled by a better thermal
    connection to the cylinder head (cylinder head acts as a heat sink).
     
    Bill Putney, Sep 23, 2008
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    Steve Guest

    A) it works better
    B) Pt electrodes typically have one wire very fine and the other large.
    Since a waste-spark ignition system depends on the plug not caring about
    the polarity of voltage its fed, fine-wire plugs are a bad idea.
    C) Did I mention platinum plugs are a waste of money?
     
    Steve, Sep 23, 2008
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Is this true of platinum plugs other than Bosch? I'm particularly
    remembering autolites as having a very normal-looking center
    electrode, with a platinum cap on it. Also, I thought it was only
    coil-pack systems that drive half the plugs backwards -- for which
    there are double-platinum plugs.
    My experience with them is that they change spark plugs into a
    non-maintenance item. I can't think of when I've inspected a platinum
    plug that turned out to need replacing, and didn't have some other
    good reason (a blown head gasket being the particular example I'm
    thinking of) for failing.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Sep 24, 2008
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    Steve Guest

    Its not AS true of others. IIRC, Autolites have a center electrode maybe
    half the size of their copper plug, but much larger than Bosch.
    I think another poster probably hit on it- the 4.7 needs a copper
    ground electrode that will conduct away heat faster after the combustion
    cycle.
    Given that my recently-acquired Jeep had its installed-at-Chrysler in
    late 1998 copper Champions in it when I bought it 2 months ago (with
    120,000 miles) and they were only opened up to about .045 from .035 and
    had no deposits at all to speak of, I'd say that its electronic engine
    management that has turned plugs into a non-maintenance item. I replaced
    the plugs, wires, cap, and rotor... and noticed NO difference in the way
    the Jeep runs. It could probably have racked up another 50k miles on
    those plugs.
     
    Steve, Sep 24, 2008
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Becca's Neon, on the other hand, which also had a little over 100K
    miles when we got it, had plugs that were eroded to near uselessness.
    It got double-platinums, but I'll never know how they wear since we've
    now sold the car.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Sep 25, 2008
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