Reg versus Premium Fuel experiament in 09 PT Cruiser

Discussion in 'PT Cruiser' started by Ashton Crusher, Nov 2, 2009.

  1. Ashton Crusher

    hls Guest

    Microsoft was thought to be the cream of the crop by many people. It isnt,
    and they
    arent even the lowest bidder.

    If software had the same sort of exposure that medicine had, these people
    would
    perfect their crappy code before maneuvering people into a position that
    they
    practically are forced to buy it.
     
    hls, Nov 8, 2009
  2. Ashton Crusher

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    You mean "especially" from Microsoft, don't you?
    Yes, but that's a different thing. That's what you get when the marketing
    department designs software. The end result is something that looks really
    nice, but has major compromises underneath to make it look nice. Actually
    making an operating system that has normal operating system features is not
    a priority... look how long it took for Microsoft to come up with pre-emptive
    multitasking, as used by real operating systems since the early seventies.
    Businesses look on computer systems as expenses, they don't think so much
    about what they are getting for their money. Consequently you see a lot of
    this kind of thing, but let me say it is MUCH worse when businesses which
    are not technology-driven contract out for custom software. Sometimes, if
    they have one smart person in charge of the contract, it works out really
    well. Most of the time it does not.
    I had a very bad support experience with Microsoft in 1978 and have not
    used any products of theirs since. I'm not a big Linux fan, and my number
    one complaint with Linux is the same as my number one complaint with
    Microsoft: poor documentation of internals. At least with Linux you can
    read the source code if you have to, but you shouldn't have to.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Nov 8, 2009
  3. Ashton Crusher

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    Just ask your doctor about cholesterol-lowering drugs. Microsoft isn't
    the only outfit pushing inadequate and untested products on the market.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Nov 8, 2009
  4. Ashton Crusher

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Sorry, I guess I forgot a smiley. I've got exactly two applications
    that force me to run Windows in a virtual machine environment: a
    schematic diagram drawing program and PCB layout program needed to
    submit work to expresspcb.com, an extremely inexpensive source for small
    numbers of custom PC boards. Anybody got a comparable source that will
    take a gerber file?
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Nov 8, 2009

  5. Filled it up today. The pencil and paper answer is that I got about 1
    mpg less on the premium. The electronic info center readout says it
    was about 2 mpg less. Not a huge difference obviously. Certainly it
    would indicate that there is no point to using premium since it's at
    best a wash and the performance was no better by seat of the pants.
    Nothing surprising.
     
    Ashton Crusher, Nov 8, 2009
  6. Ashton Crusher

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    There are a bunch of them out there. Start with the ads in the back of
    AudioXPress magazine. Most of them do the same thing expresspcb.com does,
    and batch up hundreds of boards together in one run. Some of them send
    them to China, though, so you have a week or two turnaround, but you
    usually save bigtime in the process.

    Thing is, I like the expresspcb.com layout program a lot. It's nowhere
    near as cumbersome as Eagle... but Eagle will run on Unix boxes...
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Nov 8, 2009
  7. Ashton Crusher

    hls Guest

    I think the rule of thumb is still in effect, that if your car doesnt need
    the
    octane rating of the premium fuels then it is money wasted.
     
    hls, Nov 8, 2009
  8. Ashton Crusher

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    I've been looking (mostly in the back of Circuit Cellar), but haven't
    come across one really comparable: send off the layout and my credit
    card number, 2 days (IIRC) and ~$75 later (including shipping) I've got
    three circuit boards on my doorstep. All the others I've come across
    seem to want to go through a "request a quote" step, or have a setup
    charge, or something...
    Their schematic program, their layout program, and especially the
    linking between the two, is really nice.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Nov 8, 2009
  9. Ashton Crusher

    Bill Putney Guest

    I also have been using expresspcb.com. Great for low quantity boards as
    you said. That reminds me - I have a defective board to talk to them
    about. First one I've had, so I don't know how they're going to handle
    it. Too much set up to make just one board, so I suspect they will just
    refund the incremental cost that I paid for the one board.
     
    Bill Putney, Nov 8, 2009
  10. Ashton Crusher

    Steve Guest

    I remember that ;-) Didn't someone actually make up a few stickers? Its
    certainly true that Y2K had no affect whatsoever on my Carter AVS
    carburetors....
     
    Steve, Nov 11, 2009
  11. Ashton Crusher

    Steve Guest

    Glad I don't know any of those people....

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a feral Microsoft hater. Some of their
    products have surprised me (a properly configured version of Windows
    Embedded, for example, that will boot in <20 seconds on a 500 MHz
    embedded processor, run for months on end, supports very easy
    development, and has a tiny footprint- so far we haven't been able to
    match all that with Linux for this application) But "cream of the crop?"
    Egads. What a narrow view of the software world THAT must be!
     
    Steve, Nov 11, 2009
  12. Ashton Crusher

    Steve Guest

    But, much as the designers of the 1957 BelAir and 1968 Roadrunner didn't
    expect those vehicles to remain hugely popular in 2009 and didn't design
    them for that kind of lifespan and maintainability, software developers
    in 1988 didn't REALLY expect their code snippets (or hell, whole
    programs!) to still be running in 1999/2000.
     
    Steve, Nov 11, 2009
  13. Ashton Crusher

    Steve Guest

    Actually I don't find that to be a problem with current generation CFLs
    anymore. What I still don't like is the fact that initial light output
    is VERY low until the tube heats up. I'm even more impressed with the
    LED replacement fixtures I've seen- in terms of color rendering AND in
    terms of light output as well as being truly instant-on. What doesn't
    impress me (at least not positively...) is the $50 cost of a PAR-30 LED
    flood in 50-watt equivalent light output. Gads. Even I'm smart enough to
    know that it won't really last the 10+ years it would need to break
    even... I'll lose the darn thing or replace the lamp it fits before
    then! I do believe the cost will drop, though. The big problem I see
    for LEDs is getting them to work in a non-flood configuration (ie,
    radiate light uniformly like a regular round bulb does.)


    and too late to re-tool and re-legislate for
    Google a bit, extreme environuts are ALREADY whining about CFLs,
    although it amuses me how conflicted and angsty they seem to be over it.
     
    Steve, Nov 11, 2009
  14. Ashton Crusher

    Steve Guest

    Damn. I didn't know GE had bailed on that... too bad.

    I think Phillips is still working on theirs, though,
    Actually I've seen a few Philips products already on the market. ie.,
    their 45W PAR20 that matches 55W conventional incandescent PAR20 in
    lumen output.
     
    Steve, Nov 11, 2009
  15. Ashton Crusher

    Steve Guest


    OK, I'm a little beyond my depth of knowledge here, but AFAIK *ALL*
    flat-tappet cams have to be hardened (usually nitrided or some other
    surface process) after the cam lobes are ground on the blank. Too much
    material has to be removed when the lobes are ground to shape to use a
    pre-grind hardening process- all the hardening would be removed except
    on the very tip of the lobe and it would get undercut very quickly. I'm
    sure that the quality and thickness of the hardening can vary, though.

    In addition GM (Chevrolet division engines in particular) up through the
    end of factory flat-tappet cams had comparatively high cam wear because
    they used a smaller diameter lifter than Ford, Chrysler, AMC, and (I
    think) some of the other GM divisions like Oldsmobile and Cadillac.
     
    Steve, Nov 11, 2009
  16. Ashton Crusher

    hls Guest

    Strange.. that would be only 12 years, and the millenium change would have
    been rather obvious, I think, especially in light of all the importance that
    was
    given to it at the last moment.
     
    hls, Nov 11, 2009
  17. Ashton Crusher

    Bill Putney Guest

    Yes - of course the nitriding was done after grinding - the treatment is
    only microns thick.

    I'm just telling you what the word on the street was - I have to think
    it would have trickled down from someone with engineering level
    understanding - the typical guy on the street back then wouldn't have
    thought up the nitriding explanation on his own.

    Perhaps that long ago, it was a new process that has been greatly
    improved over the years. If other manufacturers were nitriding at the
    time, perhaps GM's process or their vendor's process was inferior. But
    I know it was a consistent rumor for years. Whether the stated cause was
    wrong, it was universally accepted that GM cams had such a problem that
    other manufacturer's vehicles didn't - maybe for the reason you state in
    your next paragraph...
     
    Bill Putney, Nov 11, 2009
  18. Ashton Crusher

    hls Guest

    hls, Nov 11, 2009
  19. Ashton Crusher

    Kevin Guest

    I haven`t had a dam cfl last more than a year yet. KB
     
    Kevin, Nov 14, 2009

  20. That was my experience up to about 18 months ago. Since then they
    seem to have gotten a lot better. The only problem for me is that I
    have a lot of rooms with dimmers and dimming CFL's are pricey and from
    what I read they don't work very well.
     
    Ashton Crusher, Nov 14, 2009
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