Quarter Sales Numbers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by James C. Reeves, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. Released today:

    Vehicle sales up:

    Toyota +11% with 200,482 units sold ("...best sales ever in US")
    Nissan +14% (Included Infinity up 59%)
    BMW +3%

    Sales Flat to lower:

    GM Flat (-0.5%) with 472,527 units sold
    Ford -15% with 311,084 units sold

    US companies are still sliding...even with GM's insanely generous incentives
    & offers when compared to those offered by the Toyotas and Nissans of the
    world and with overall auto sales going up, they lost even more market share
    <sigh>...again!! Is there no one else worried about this lengthy trend?
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 3, 2003
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    Lloyd Parker Guest

    And look what GM is pinning its hopes on -- Malibu. As dull as styling can
    get, and a pushrod V6. Origami-styled Cadillacs. Supercharged Impalas and
    Monte Carlos that won't hide their ugly outsides or insides. Buick clone of
    the corporate SUV. Suzukis that are rebadged Daewoos.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Sep 3, 2003
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    Steve Guest

    The Nissan percentages are misleading, because their sales have been
    DISMAL over the last few years. Their upward trend means that they're
    going to survive, not that they're burning up the market. I think its
    the first time in history that being bought by Renault has done
    something GOOD for a car company (which only shows how bad they were
    before).

    Yeah, I'm worried by the trend. But I don't buy foreign junk anyway.
     
    Steve, Sep 3, 2003
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  4. | The Nissan percentages are misleading, because their sales have been
    | DISMAL over the last few years. Their upward trend means that they're
    | going to survive, not that they're burning up the market. I think its
    | the first time in history that being bought by Renault has done
    | something GOOD for a car company (which only shows how bad they were
    | before).
    |
    | Yeah, I'm worried by the trend. But I don't buy foreign junk anyway.
    |
    |

    Hopefully we still have a domestic option in 10 years, or we won't have a
    choice. :-(
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 3, 2003
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    MikeHunt Guest

    I'll bet Toyota would just LOVE to have those GM numbers, or even
    Fords. Toyota would love to be 'flat' at 472,527 CARS compared
    to their 200,482. In case you haven't noticed the figures were
    CAR sales not total vehicle sales. Americans
    buy more light truck, which includes SUV's, than cars. Ford
    sells more F150's in month then Toyota sell total trucks
    and truck based SUV's in a year. Toyota sell the number one car
    but Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks far outsell ANYTHING Toyota or
    any Japanese company sells.


    mike hunt
     
    MikeHunt, Sep 3, 2003
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    DaveSpivey14 Guest

    The trend stinks, some sort of autopact needs to be put in place....you ever
    see the price of our vehicles in Japan. I here they are not cheap
     
    DaveSpivey14, Sep 3, 2003
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    Brad Clarke Guest

    Didn't you add to the lower GM numbers, when you dumped your 2003 Malibu
    LS after 7 months of ownership? :) Just kidding.

    I know how you feel...I'm regretting getting my GM car in February.

    Brad
     
    Brad Clarke, Sep 3, 2003
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    Rich Guest

    I bought an Olds Intrigue in June of 02, dumped it this past March and
    bought a Maxima.

    Maybe I'll come back to GM.. but probably not, now that I've discovered what
    a "real" car is supposed to be like.
     
    Rich, Sep 4, 2003
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    Steve Guest


    When are people going to stop equating "American car" with "GM?"

    And "real car?" Maxima? Puh-LEEZE.
     
    Steve, Sep 4, 2003
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  10. | I'll bet Toyota would just LOVE to have those GM numbers, or even
    | Fords. Toyota would love to be 'flat' at 472,527 CARS compared
    | to their 200,482. In case you haven't noticed the figures were
    | CAR sales not total vehicle sales. Americans
    | buy more light truck, which includes SUV's, than cars. Ford
    | sells more F150's in month then Toyota sell total trucks
    | and truck based SUV's in a year. Toyota sell the number one car
    | but Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks far outsell ANYTHING Toyota or
    | any Japanese company sells.
    |
    |
    | mike hunt

    If the continuing trend isn't reversed, the numbers WILL be reversed within
    the decade...a very sad mathematical fact. BTW, Toyota gained market share
    on the trucks sales as well.
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 4, 2003
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  11. | Didn't you add to the lower GM numbers, when you dumped your 2003 Malibu
    | LS after 7 months of ownership? :) Just kidding.

    Not yet. According to the CarMax web site, as of Tuesday this week, it was
    still sitting on the Laurel, Maryland lot waiting to be purchased. :) It's
    the dark green Malibu LS with sunroof ($14,599). They have quite a few 2003
    GM's for sale actually, which is a little surprising. It was very well
    cared for, Mobil-1 oil changes, etc. Been to some interesting
    places...Montecello, Montpelier, Gettysburg, Philadelphia, Eastern Shore of
    Maryland. All of the quality problems, water / body seal leaks, etc.
    (except the noisy front struts are still a issue) have been fixed.

    Eccept for a couple of Fords I owned in the 1970's, in 30+ years of car
    buying, I've never kept any car since for less than 7 years (average 11
    years) and, except for a 16-year-old Dodge Dakota 4x4 I donated to the high
    school auto shop class, have never gotten rid of a car for
    quality/engineering or for problem reasons even then...usually selling them
    to friends since they all were still running great. I guess the 8 months
    for this one kills my average, huh!?! But, I'm not bitter, there is a cost
    to education! :) In this case, about $7K....nearly a year of in-state
    tuition at UMD (daughter just graduated last year, so I'm free from the
    cost, I thought!).

    | I know how you feel...I'm regretting getting my GM car in February.
    |

    You gave GM two chances...more than they will get from me for a while. I
    think the engine replacement in your 2000 model would have sealed it for me
    though. I admire you trying to stick with them...I wish it had worked out
    better for you. One would think that at least some of the Malibu's are
    okay...there sure are a lot of them out on the roads!
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 4, 2003
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    Brad Clarke Guest

    I also get GM vehicles at cost, so for us it made financial sense to get
    another GM product.

    That plan expires at the end of this year, so when the lease is up on
    this car, we'll be taking a serious look around at all manufacturers.

    Brad
     
    Brad Clarke, Sep 4, 2003
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  13. Shocking isn't it? Long gone are the cheap econobox days of the 80's.
     
    Joseph Oberlander, Sep 4, 2003
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  14. Q: how many of those are fleet sales?

    GM and Ford, last I checked, had a virtual stranglehold on the
    rental industry, so it's a bit unfair to compare them to
    companies that do most of their business to individuals.
     
    Joseph Oberlander, Sep 4, 2003
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  15. | I also get GM vehicles at cost, so for us it made financial sense to get
    | another GM product.

    I probably would have given them another go in that case then too. Dollars
    talk! :)

    | That plan expires at the end of this year, so when the lease is up on
    | this car, we'll be taking a serious look around at all manufacturers.
    |
    | Brad

    I had a friend that would rent a model vehicle he was interested in for a
    few days to "try it on for size" to "see how it fit". It was a little
    costly, but his argument was that the dealer test drives just don't provide
    enough time with the car to know how it will fit in with personal
    preferences, comfort of the seats, etc. etc. I think I now agree with him!!
    Not sure how to avoid getting generally bad product though, other than lurk
    in newsgroups like these...although it will be filled mostly with people
    with problems and issues.

    I wonder how the GM 24-hour test drive program worked out...do you know if
    they still doing that?
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 4, 2003
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    Dave Draper Guest

    If you remove Fleet sales then Toyota is the number 1 seller.
     
    Dave Draper, Sep 4, 2003
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  17. | On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:47:26 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
    |
    | > James C. Reeves wrote:
    | >> | >> | I'll bet Toyota would just LOVE to have those GM numbers, or even
    | >> | Fords. Toyota would love to be 'flat' at 472,527 CARS compared
    | >> | to their 200,482. In case you haven't noticed the figures were
    | >
    | > Q: how many of those are fleet sales?
    | >
    | > GM and Ford, last I checked, had a virtual stranglehold on the
    | > rental industry, so it's a bit unfair to compare them to
    | > companies that do most of their business to individuals.
    | >
    | >
    |
    | If you remove Fleet sales then Toyota is the number 1 seller.
    |

    Did you research that? I haven't yet. If true (and it may be) GM and Ford
    better hope they don't loose the rental market like they're loosing (or lost
    if true) the general market then!!
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 4, 2003
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    Dan Gates Guest

    But the fleet cars get sold to "somebody" after the fleets are done with
    them. I have one myself. So individuals are buying these cars, just 6
    months later.

    Dan
     
    Dan Gates, Sep 4, 2003
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    MikeHunt2 Guest

    And you came to that conclusion after drinking or taking what? Do
    you really think any manufacture cares WHO buys their product?
    Toyota Honda etc. sell to fleets and rental companies as well,
    they are just not as proficient at doing so. LOL



    mike hunt
     
    MikeHunt2, Sep 4, 2003
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    Steve Guest

    Dave Draper wrote:

    I don't believe that. Got anything to substantiate it?
     
    Steve, Sep 4, 2003
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