Quality of Pacifca vs Aspen?

Discussion in 'Other Models' started by John W, Nov 10, 2003.

  1. John W

    Steve Guest

    No. If you kick a pig hard enough, it'll fly away. Lloyd won't.

    Steve, Nov 12, 2003
  2. John W

    Steve Guest

    I just LOVE sweeping generalizations like that. Laughing's good for a body.
    Steve, Nov 12, 2003
  3. John W

    Bill 2 Guest

    Siemens has some R&D in Canada, along with some manufacturing, along with
    some manufacturing in Mexico. Among other places
    Bill 2, Nov 12, 2003
  4. John W

    Bill Putney Guest

    Heh heh! Got news for you - I'm in Virginia and got layed off - uh -
    laid off - uh - fired from a third tier supplier about three years ago
    when they replaced 5 American engineers with one Mexican Engineer (they
    were kidding themselves about the long-term results of that move, but
    the effect was the same for those that lost their jobs). In effect they
    closed up their U.S. design capabilites and sent MoTown a message that
    from now on, they weren't doing design work for free in order to win
    contracts (IOW, put the burden back on Ford/Visteon and GM/Delphi).

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
    Bill Putney, Nov 12, 2003
  5. Probably pretty close!

    Matthew S. Whiting, Nov 12, 2003
  6. Of course you do, Geoff. But you work for a motor industry supplier in

    It's no different, for example, in the Midlands area of the UK where the
    local component suppliers get into a tizz when any rumours of car production
    reduction or change of supplier circulate. Every decision about car
    production becomes political. And there has been devastation in the UK,
    though now there is more car production than there has ever been, even if
    almost all of it is by 'foreign-owned' manufacturers. Maybe a lot of
    British suppliers lost business because of the relatively strong currency
    here at the time (blame somebody else), but maybe many were just plain bad
    and/or inefficient.

    And of course you see lots of GMs, Fords on the road in your area. Lots of
    employees and ex-employees get great deals.

    I was talking about the general American (and, indeed, international) car
    buying public.

    Using your dinnertable argument I would love to see more people in America
    buying Jags so that the workers of Coventry have a more secure job, but
    maybe I don't as the profits go into the pockets of a Big Bad American
    Capitalist Investor called Ford...

    It's a profitless (so to speak) exercise, playing the 'nationalist' card,
    which you can apply to every other good. Let's mention McDonald's as one
    example. Why are their toys all made in China?

    And maybe it's good to put money into the pockets of workers of poorer
    countries (because that's where they inevitably are) because it makes for a
    more stable world. That's why, for example, the EU sends lots of aid money
    to the poor countries of eastern Europe, whether they will join the EU or
    not. Personally I prefer the private enterprise route but the broad concept
    is similar.

    NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
    Dori Schmetterling, Nov 17, 2003
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