Pacifica Least of Chrysler's Worries

Discussion in 'Pacifica' started by Nomen Nescio, Oct 14, 2003.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    Art, there is no trolling on this newsgroup, only free expression of
    thought, a treasure we hold very dear to our American hearts.

    The Pacifica and Crossfire are only the latest two iterations of bad
    product. Chrysler will continue to offer bad product that won't sell so
    long as it ignores customer feedback. FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU EVER SEE
    "OFFICIAL" CHRYSLER RESPONSE ON THIS NEWSGROUP? Never!

    Sales are always customer driven. Chrysler has everything bass akwards.
    They actually think that people will keep buying every junk the factory
    pushes out the doors. Maybe that was true right after the war (WWII) but
    it ain't no more.

    Every new car since 1950 has been engineered by rejects from the plumbing
    industry. Its insane: You would think the sophisticated materials
    developed during the first half of the last century would tend to make for
    lighter vehicles. But the exact opposite took place. Just look at a 1953
    Corvette. That sucker weighed in at 2850 pounds, way too heavy. So what
    does 51 years of "progress" yield? A 2004 Crossfire that weighs in a 3600
    pounds, almost 800 (EIGHT HUNDRED) pounds MORE!!! And its the same
    two-seater capacity. The Crossfire is the epitamy of the 1928 school of
    design. Chrysler needs to hang their heads in shame for peddling that
    lumber wagon off as a so-called state-of-the-art automobile.

    Maybe Chrysler designers actually believe that heavier cars hold the road
    better than lighter ones! If so, I recommend they fill in the frame
    members with cement. Heavier is better. Maybe I should consider buying a
    dump truck for performance -- they're good'n'heavy.

    As for fixability, you can't beat a V-8 crammed in nice and tight. Better
    use good sparking plugs 'cause the number 7 is the 100,000 plug. The way
    Chrysler fits plastic covers over the engine I doubt even a professional
    mechanic can find all 8 anyways. People, when you open the hood of a
    prospective buy, if you can't see all the plugs and injectors sticking out
    in plain view, WALK! Don't be a sucker for a maintenance unfriendly car --
    after the new car smell wears off, you will curse it when you can't do the
    work yourself and worse, can't pay the exhorbinant bills to get somebody
    else to do it for you.

    Exactly what was in Chrysler's twisted agenda when they stuck the SINGLE
    fuel pump deep within the bowels of the gas tank? When, not if, it goes
    south on you, it will strand you. And its not field fixable. It will cost
    you a FORTUNE. A high school auto shop student could design a better fuel
    supply system; an aircraft mechanic could design a completely failsafe one
    that would never let you down. And it wouldn't cost much to make it 100%
    failsafe. Probably not more than $40 on that $30,000 bomb you just bought.

    I just love those frustrated owner's complaints when they get this here
    intermittant. Is it ignition? Is it fuel injection? Is it mechanical? I
    love it. Serves you right for buying cars with space age want-to-be
    systems. YOU try to figure out where the problem is, because I don't have
    the foggiest. Start with the 100 wires that come and go out of 50 wire
    connectors. Can you believe it when I tell you Chrysler has put some of
    those inches away from unshielded lead-acid car batteries that spit acid on
    them? Its true. Like a stick of dynamite with the fuse lit. Hasn't Lee
    Iaccocoa ever hear of corrosion? And he was one of the BEST Chrysler ever
    had.

    Overheating engine? That's a given. Everyone of those head gaskets are
    going to go bad on you, given enough time. The solution is simple: No
    water jacket holes thru the gasket. And no oil passages through it either.
    Don't know how to do it? Chrysler, read the posts. Some smart guy alread
    told you how to do it.

    Hydraulic lifters have been used on Continental aircraft engines and they
    do not fail from "leakdown" and knock. Its a late 30's design. Chrysler
    read up on the correct way to make hydraulic lifters. Yours leak down and
    knock.

    Ever had a suspension collapse? Bad bolts. Chrysler learn about AN bolts.
    They're the only kind that should be on cars. And use self locking nuts.
    Even British motorcycles used them and everybody knows how backwards the
    Brits are. Those bikes were made to order for the rubbish bin.

    Chrysler front suspension alignment mechanisms are no good. They rely on
    pinch bolts to hold the adjustment. Cams and pinch bolts are no good. Use
    micrometer screw adjustments and lock nuts. A car should take a stout curb
    slam and still hold adjustment. I have slammed into curbs and the whole
    adjustment pops out of specifications.

    Chrysler water hoses can rupture and leak. That's because they don't use
    SCREW ON FITTINGS. Clamp ons on so 1920's. Use genuine Airquips on $30,000
    cars; they never bust.

    Where's the safety wire? A Chrysler oil drain plug can unscrew and drop
    off on the street. Where do you think the oil is going to go and what do
    you think will happen to your engine (or transmission)? Come to think
    about it, Chrysler transmnissions don't even have an oil drain screw.
    While on the subject, why not a screw-on transmission filter? And a
    screw-on fuel filter too?

    Timing belts. You can cut one in two with a dressmaker's scissors. Try
    it. Enough said. Chrysler: Use GEAR DRIVE.

    I have just scratched the surface, but you should now have a feeling why I
    say ex-toilet designers do Chrysler cars these days.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Oct 14, 2003
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  2. Have you ever seen an official response on any ng from any auto maker?

    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 14, 2003
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  3. Student Mechanic, your beefs have been answered time and again. Your not
    kidding
    anybody by using a different handle. But just for the newbies to the group,
    here we
    go again:
    Newsgroup posts can be forged, you cannot have an "official" response on
    Usenet.
    See the manufacturer's website for any official response to anything or
    write a letter
    to Chrysler.
    Like what? Fiberglass? We already tried that on cars and it's a bust - the
    goofball in the grocery store can bang a cart into your fender and crack it.
    And there's little industry knowledge about the best way to make plastic
    panels, all of them seem to be different, plus you can have paint adhesion
    problems
    and discoloring, etc. Plus repairing any kind of serious dent means total
    panel replacement, you can't just bang them out and fill with Bondo and
    paint.

    Ford tried plastic intake manifolds on the Crown Vics and they cracked.
    There's also been 100% aluminum engines built but reliability is a problem.

    There's always a tradeoff between cost and "other gain" with that other
    gain being weight or whatever. Well we have had a glut of steel on the
    market for years, it's cheap. Plus manufacturing it doesen't create toxic
    chemicals and use up precious hydrocarbons. And on top of that there's
    never a disposal problem with steel, it's easy to recycle and doesen't end
    up in a landfill, nor is burned and create toxic gasses. There's 100 years
    of
    paint technology to cover it, a tried and proven method called "galvanizing"
    to make it rust proof, and it's easy to repair either by welding or
    hammering
    back into shape. And customers just plain enjoy the solidity of a
    car manufactured out of metal.
    The auto buying public doesen't accept a car if it's too light. They don't
    like
    the feel of driving it, and they are afraid they will get smooshed in a
    crash.
    There's a whole raft of deragotory terms, "econobox", "rice burner" etc.
    to describe them. The automakers aren't going to make something that
    people won't buy. Even the New Beetle was made deliberately heavier than
    the original Bug.
    99.9% of the buying public isn't competent to do more than change the oil
    in their cars, and with Jiffy Lube coupons in the Sunday paper for $10 oil
    changes, few of them even do that much. And today the new car warranties
    seem to be getting longer, apparently the people who actually work on cars
    for a living know how to fix them cheap enough for the factory to pay them
    to do it.
    By the time most OEM fuel pumps go, the vehicle is getting to end of life,
    unless the owners regularly ran the gas tank to empty before adding in fuel,
    thus exposing the pump and letting it run hot.
    Troubleshooting hasn't changed, you take the complex problem and break
    it down to simpler problems. The newer vehicles are more complex and have
    more components but their systems still break down to simple ones.
    This is no different than any computer UPS that I've ever replaced
    batteries in.
    Yes, if you are the type that never replaces your battery and never looks
    under the hood at the battery terminals. Batteries age. Keeping them in
    the car until the car won't start is the old, stupid way to run your vehicle
    and it's what keeps AAA in business. Lead acid batteries should always
    be replaced on a regular schedule based on number of years in service
    and their terminals should be covered with the correct anti-corrosion
    electrolytic grease, if this is done they do not spit acid all over the
    place
    nor do your battery cables corrode into pieces.
    Only a handful of engine designs have this problem. Most of them the head
    gaskets last to 200 thousand miles and beyond. And unlike most car engines,
    airplane engines are regularly serviced. If everyone checked their auto
    engine
    headbolts for correct torque at regular intervals, as part of an overall
    preventative
    maintainence, most engine head gaskets would last forever.
    Thus adding greatly to the cost of the vehicle. People aren't going to pay
    for
    this and they DO use hardened bolts in places where they are required.
    Suspensions collapsing isn't a common problem.
    In which case the screw threads will get crammed with gunk, making a routine
    aligment into a major production.
    Once again, adding greatly to the cost of the vehicle. And water hoses
    burst in
    plenty other places than where the clamps are. Furthermore, once again if
    people followed the manufaturers recommendations and dumped and replaced
    their antifreeze at the recommended intervals, and inspected the water hoses
    they wouldn't have these kinds of peoblems.
    If oil is changed at the conservative 3000 mile mark, and a new copper
    washer is
    used on the oil drain plug, and the plug is properly torqued, this won't
    happen
    either. Blame the Amsoil freaks and their extended drain interval for this
    problem.
    Nothing if the driver knows what they are doing. I have had oil pressure
    die
    on the highway, due to me plumbing in a oil pressure guage and using a brass
    rather than steel fitting on the oil pressure sender to tap off the pressure
    guage
    fitting. The brass tube fractured and the oil pressure dropped from 80 psi
    to
    nothing in about 10 seconds. In my case I saw the idiot light go red,
    identified it
    immediately as an oil problem, and simply took my foot off the accellerator
    and
    let the engine idle and coasted to the side of the road then shut off the
    engine
    as soon as I was stopped. There was no engine damage of course.

    And as for a catastrophic loss of tranny fluid, well what is going to happen
    is equally anticlimatic. Simply put the torque converter will freewheel and
    the transmission will decouple from the engine, leaving the driver reving
    his
    engine and no power to the wheels. If the driver simply coasts to a stop
    at the side of the road turns off the car, there will be no damage.

    Sure, if the low oil pressure red idiot light turns on and the morons
    keep driving, then their engine is going to grenade itself in a few miles.
    Is driver moronicity a reason to criticize the machine? Is the goal of
    automotive design to make a vehicle so moron-proof that 8 year
    old children can drive them?
    Because to properly drain the tranny you supposed to drop the pan
    and replace the filter then wipe out all the dust and crud in the bottom
    of the pan. If they figured that intelligent people were going to be
    draining tranny fluid they probably would have put a courtesy drain
    plug in, but they know that shortcut takers like you would just
    drain the fluid then add new fluid and tell the customer the tranny
    had been "serviced" before asking the customer to bend over so you
    can "service the customer"
    Some do have that. But your still going to end up with the pan full
    of sludge unless you drop it.
    A large, correctly sized fuel filter should last to the 100K mile mark
    without needing replacement, if the vehicle is filled with gasoline from
    gas stations that are selling clean uncontaminated gas. And with fuel,
    it is safest to have a can-style filter that uses thread-on couplers for
    the in and out fuel lines.
    You can cut a seatbelt in half with scissors but people trust their lives
    with them. Oh I know, we should get chains for seatbelts. And in
    any case, there's still plenty of engines that use metal timing chains
    and sprockets. Once again, this is an item that would not be a problem
    if correct Preventative Maintainences were done.
    You seem to know a lot about ex-toilet designers, you must be one yourself.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Oct 14, 2003
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  4. Yep, there is NO DOUBT who wrote that drivel. The StudentMechanic is
    back again and again and again and STILL hasn't smartened up yet. A
    new name does not work with him, you can see right thru the writing.
     
    Richard Benner Jr, Oct 14, 2003
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