Origin of name Chrysler?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ramon F Herrera, Sep 27, 2004.

  1. Is Chrysler a last name?

    I saw a joke about "John Chrysler" being non-existent
    in the NewsRadio TV show.

    What is the origin of the name of that company?

    Ramon F Herrera, Sep 27, 2004
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  2. Ramon F Herrera

    Dan Larsen Guest

    Yes, it's the name of a guy, born in Hayes, Kansas, who grew up to be
    a mechanical genius, worked on the railroad, bought a Locomobile, while he
    lived on a farm and worked on the railroad that became the Illinois Central.
    He bought this new Locomobile after attending the Chicago Auto Show, and he had
    it shipped to his home in Olwein, Iowa via rail, whereupon he had it towed by a
    horse and ropes, to his farm, just outside of town. He took the car apart and
    put it back together several times before trying to drive it, only to end up in
    a ditch, and had to get the neighbor to pull him out with a team of horses.
    Only a few years later, Walter P. Chrysler went to work for Buick, and became
    the president of that great company. He later left Buick to head up the
    Chalmers Motor Company, and went on to a couple others, before going back to
    his roots at the Chicago auto Show, with the car that he had introduced at the
    New York Auto Show, only months before, the New 1924 Chrysler. All this is
    detailed in a book co-authored by Boyden Sparks, and recognized as Walter Percy
    Chrysler's Autobiography. The Title is "Life of an American Workman" most hard
    copies of the book were first published in hardback form, in 1950, although the
    book had previously been published as a series in the Saturday Evening Post, as
    early as 1937. The Saturday Evening post also published a few hundred copies
    as leather covered hardback versions, which were of a size we'd call
    "coffee-table-size" today. The book is a really easy read, and is a tremendous
    lesson in character for a young American. I highly recommend finding a copy at
    your local library and reading it. You won't be sorry.

    God Bless,

    Fun to Read: http://www.25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15.htm
    Dan Larsen, Sep 27, 2004
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  3. Yes, that of Walter P. Chrysler.
    Daniel J. Stern, Sep 27, 2004
  4. Ramon F Herrera

    Dan Larsen Guest

    Dan Larsen, Sep 27, 2004
  5. Ramon F Herrera

    Bret Guest

    I read a history On WPC, and the book had this interesting tidbit (I won't
    vouch for its accuracy, however):

    When WPC's family came to America, (before WPC was born), the family arrived
    at Plymouth rock.

    You make the call .......

    (I'm not trying to be funny or make a joke, that's what the book said. I
    read it a long time ago, and don't remember the title/author. This one bit
    stuck with me, however.)
    Bret, Sep 27, 2004
  6. Ramon F Herrera

    Dan Larsen Guest

    I've read about everything ever written on the man, or at least the
    stuff that's still available, and I've seen that kind of thing a couple of
    times. I usually pass it of as "overzealous use of artistic license," and
    forget it, as soon as possible. I doubt that it takes any credibility away
    from those things that we know to be true, and the hundreds of things that have
    been corroborated over the years, . . . . . like his railroad seniority,
    working in several roundhouses, on steam locomotives, or the fact that he made
    his own tools, (which are preserved, along with his toolbox, in the WPC Museam
    at Highland Park, MI), or the evidence that indicates that he couldn't drive a
    car, but could take one apart and put it together in his sleep, (okay, . . .
    ..but you know what I mean). He was a very interesting man, who had a very
    interesting life, filled with interesting visions, interesting philosophies,
    and interesting relationships, all leading to the successful conclusion of an
    automotive legacy that lives on today, albiet in somewhat beleaguered forms,
    all over the globe. I have several copies of "Life of an American Workman."
    Promise me you'll read it, cover to cover, and I'll gladly send you one, (the
    e-mail address is good -- send me a mailing address), for your perusal.

    I also enjoy reading about the other great automotive geniuses,
    (opinions vary -- I'm admittedly being polite), Henry Ford, his ancestors, Bill
    Durant, Louis Chevrolet, James Packard, John Dodge and his Brothers, Fred
    Duesenburg, Albert R. Erskine, David Buick, Harley Earl, Preston Tucker, Alfred
    P. Sloan, John Z Delorian, as well as Walter P. and his "Triple Threat" of the
    1930s. If these kind of men don't embody a Great American Spirit, and a
    forgotten time in our history, that is rarely spoken about today, nothing does.
    It sickens me, as much as anyone, to see the bean-counters and lawyers take
    over the automotive industry, and if we don't hold onto heroes like WPC and the
    like, (whatever their excentricities), we stand to suffer in the long run.

    God Bless,

    Fun to Read: http://www.25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15.htm
    Dan Larsen, Sep 27, 2004
  7. Your response didn't hit my server til sometime after I'd posted mine.
    Wasn't trying to step on your toes.
    Daniel J. Stern, Sep 27, 2004
  8. Interesting list. I esxpecially liked inclusion of John Delorean, a
    mega-crook who cheated the British taxpayer out of millions of pounds.

    Funny you are not interested in those other great geniuses and pioneers like
    Gottlieb Daimler, Karl Benz, Wilhelm Maybach, Louis Renault, Andre Citroen,
    not to mention Rolls & Royce et al....

    Dori A Schmetterling, Sep 27, 2004
  9. Please elucidate your point of view.
    ....Briggs and Stratton...Fichtel and Sachs...Callard and Bowser...
    Daniel J. Stern, Sep 27, 2004
  10. Ramon F Herrera

    Nate Nagel Guest

    He still was apparently a decent engineer, despite his personal problems.
    What about Ferdinand Porsche? Probably had more effect on the modern
    auto industry than any other man... not to mention Soichiro Honda and
    various other Japanese and European players...

    Nate Nagel, Sep 27, 2004
  11. Ramon F Herrera

    Guest Guest

    Named after it's founder, Walter P. Chrysler.
    Guest, Sep 28, 2004
  12. Ramon F Herrera

    Dan Larsen Guest

    From: "Dori A Schmetterling" comes the following
    off-point commentary:
    You should have paid as much attention to the rhetoric, as the list,
    itself. The key phrase you'd have been looking for was:
    What was it about Renault, Maybach, Benx, Citroen, or Daimler, or Rolls
    & Royce, that would embody anything American??

    Oh, that's right, . . . . having forgotten WWII, . . . . . most Brits
    have a special disdain for us Americans. Too bad.

    Say, didja hear about the Montreal Expos Baseball Team?? Proposal
    is that the American Commissioner of Baseball is going to have them playing all
    their home games at RFK Stadium in Washington D.C. next season. Sorry Canada!
    Maybe among all those political decisions, a few will have some economic
    consequences you weren't counting on.

    God Bless,

    Fun to Read: http://www.25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15.htm
    Dan Larsen, Sep 28, 2004
  13. Ramon F Herrera

    Geoff Guest

    You see, Dan'L, being an American in this forum is discouraged. Being
    an American who leans somewhat conservative is verboten. Being a proud
    American who leans somewhat conservative results in your being treated
    with the same disdain usually reserved for a dead, half-eaten squirrel
    on one's front porch.

    You're not supposed to represent us as the defenders of Democracy, or as the
    world's lone benevolent super power. Socialism is good. American
    capitulation is even better. We Americans would be better off if we
    just learned to love the world the way it is, and stop being such a
    bunch of show-offs with our tremendous economy and health care system
    that is the standard against which all others are measured. We should
    give away more for free -- it's not fair that we have so much, while the
    rest have so little. Didja know we ride on the backs of the poor,
    impoverished western Euro-peons, and then repay them by dragging them
    along into conflicts over oil? I betcha didn't know that all their
    roads are better over there, too, and nobody ever dies in a car in
    Europe. Here in the U.S., of course, we've got government agents flying
    in black helicopters with handguns practically *falling out of the
    aircraft* so that said agents can selectively kill those Americans who
    *should* have died in the rampant car accidents, but didn't. (We're
    such a violent society. I'm kinda ashamed. How about you?) Maybe we
    should contract out the positions on the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff to
    the U.N., and forget about this stars-and-stripes nonsense. I'm sure
    they can take care of that for us after they're finished monitoring our
    upcoming election. Sovereignity is so twentieth-century, don'tcha know?

    I bet the Maple Leafs could find a spot that would take 'em south of the
    border as well. After they move out, there will be more room for
    reasonable leftist Americans to move to Canada, an altogether more
    sensible place.

    Sorry for the rant. There's only a few of us who'd get the joke

    Geoff, Sep 28, 2004
  14. Ramon F Herrera

    Dan Larsen Guest

    That's perfectly okay, Geoff. I thought I was alone in this
    wilderness. Fear not, . . . . the two of us, appropriately armed with our
    Jeeps, keyborads and Glock 23-C's, can prolly handle several thousand of the
    wimps, Audie Murphy-style. ROFL!

    God Bless,

    Fun to Read: http://www.25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15.htm
    Dan Larsen, Sep 28, 2004
  15. Ramon F Herrera

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    I suspect that starting a list with "great automotive geniuses" and
    ending with "Great American Spirit" would rub non-Americans the wrong
    way. The introduction would lead one to suspect it would also include
    the great automotive geniuses of other countries.

    Incidentally, your capsule biography of Chrysler didn't mention
    Maxwell! Maxwell was a floundering auto company which he headed; the
    first Chrysler was a new Maxwell model, and then the name of the
    company was changed.
    Joe Pfeiffer, Sep 28, 2004
  16. Ramon F Herrera

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    I've never heard he was a crook of any size, nor that he cheated the
    British taxpayers out of anything. He tried to start a company, he
    got the British government to help fund it; it went broke. That's
    just failure, not criminal behavior.

    Yes, I am aware that while the company was going down the US
    government set him up and entrapped him into trying to raise money to
    keep it afloat with cocaine. I regard that as poor judgement brought
    on by desperation (and utterly reprehensible behavior on the part of
    the government), not criminality.
    Joe Pfeiffer, Sep 28, 2004
  17. Thanks a lot for your very complete answer, Dan.

    I am currently driving from Miami to Boston, with a little
    detour to California and happened to pass in front of that
    city/town around the same time that you were sending
    your posting yesterday. :)

    The name of the town is actually spelled "Hays".

    Thanks again,

    Ramon F Herrera, Sep 28, 2004
  18. Ramon F Herrera

    Dan Larsen Guest

    Except that the intent was to list Great American Automotive
    Geniuses, which is where my interests lay. I could care less about the
    Euro-genius or Japanese-genius or the occassional Tiawanese-genius factors, as
    they held NOTHING for the history of my country.
    Funny, . . . I wrote the O.P. and don't remember including anything
    resembling an "introduction." Please elaborate.
    As a result of encapsulation, I took the opportunity to leave out a
    few minor details of Chrysler's life. A book was not my intent ---- a
    synopsis was.. Should I have also mentioned his family, . . . in particular,
    his son's tastes in art, particularly nude art, as well as sexual
    excentricities, . . . . and his penchant for covering those fetishes, by buying
    up all kinds of artifacts. The old man had a true sense of value, when it came
    to collecting things, (although, many say it was Mrs. Chrysler, who had the
    true tastefulness and sense of appreciative value), and Junior was kinda
    following in his parents' footsteps, first by collecting furniture, (until
    after his first wife left him, and then moving to the art-world and finally
    really erotic stuff, showing very little taste. But, . . . . None of that is
    important, in the overall picture of Walter P. Chrysler and his contributions
    to the Industrialization of America, during the first half of the twentieth

    BTW, we DO agree on the Delorean thing. The government was WAAAAAAY
    out of line, on that sting thing, and John Z. was a true automotive genius,
    especially when he was first named head of Pontiac, and took the suits on the
    top floor of the General's offices to task on just about everything, even
    bucking the Board of Directors to get the GTO out the door, in '64. His candid
    admission that he did it, to keep pace with those employee-racers over at
    Chrysler, was priceless.

    God Bless,

    Fun to Read: http://www.25thaviation.org/johnkerry/id15.htm
    Dan Larsen, Sep 29, 2004
  19. I did see that phrase but didn't quite get the connection. You listed some
    Americans who were great. My point is that the others I listed were equally
    great (or even more so, maybe, in the case of Daimler & Benz), thus this
    greatness and achievement has nothing to do with any American or other

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling

    Dori A Schmetterling, Sep 29, 2004
  20. Perhaps I put it a bit strongly, but he still cost 'us' USD 100m. He
    persuaded the British government to pour money into his venture that only
    ever made 8000 cars. While at GM he was clearly a talented engineer, and
    then had this perhaps visionary but misguided idea that he could make a
    commercial success of it. No doubt he would have sold a few more if the US
    govt hadn't stung him but he took 100 million of our money {I suppose 'our'
    (British) government has a share in the culpability}.


    This seems a good summary of what I mean.

    Dori A Schmetterling, Sep 29, 2004
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