New German 4 seater gets 157 MPG

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by kb, Jun 23, 2006.

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    kb Guest

    "157 mpg with no fancy hybrid drive train, fuel cells, or plug in
    paraphernalia. Weighing less than a thousand pounds, the sporty
    rear-wheel drive 4-seater is designed to be maximally aerodynamic. the
    Loremo sports a modest 2-cylinder, 20 hp turbo diesel motor, has a top
    speed of 100 mph, and does 0-60 in ten seconds.... anticipated $13,000
    price tag

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/loremo_ag_157_m.php

    It's a clear indication of what could be done in the USA if the
    politicians and major automakers weren't so rotten, and if our highest
    paid engineers weren't busy looking for new ways to kill people so we
    can take their oil.


    Pass this around - it's the sort of news that the hideously corrupt US
    establishment does not want the people to know about.
     
    kb, Jun 23, 2006
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    Sparkle Guest

    Neat. But as the first comment notes, you're grabbing all the best
    numbers from both the base and sport models. And "2+2" isn't quite a
    4-seater either.
     
    Sparkle, Jun 23, 2006
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    ray Guest

    Yes, they said the same thing about the fantastic electric cars until
    they found that nobody wanted them. The hybrid cars made claims that
    most consumers didn't see either. Now they have this car that weighs
    less than 1000 lbs.

    Did you ever have a cookout and take the greasy tinfoil and throw it in
    the fire? Perhaps that's something you should think about before buying
    a car like this, especially if you are a bad driver.
     
    ray, Jun 23, 2006
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    Joe Guest

    It's a clear indication of what could be done in the USA if the
    You know, I don't really think that's true. The biggest obstacle to
    something like that is the consumerists. They've worked so tirelessly to
    make cars heavier for 40 years, dragging the politicians and automakers
    along kicking and screaming. Just like you, they thought the auto makers
    were trying to "kill us all" by making us crash. Because the people who
    built cars were "bad" or "out to do us all in" or something. They've made
    sure there won't be any really lightweight cars.

    There are no thermodynamic obstacles to a 100 mpg car. Heck, I've got an
    old Manco Go-kart here with 1 wheel drive that would do it just fine. It's
    probably 25 or 30 years old. The obstacles are safety-related.
     
    Joe, Jun 23, 2006
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    liberalhere Guest

    wait til yer doing 60mph and get a sudden 40mph gust of wind from the
    side. you'll be airborne. The reason consumers prefer heavy cars is
    stability.
     
    liberalhere, Jun 23, 2006
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  6. A VW Jetta turbo diesel 4cyl will easily top 100 mph, and on the highway
    will get 47 miles to the gallon. It's acceleration is the same as 4 cyl
    gas vehicle, or close enough. It has some of the best safety features
    available and best handling.
    Electric cars aren't popular because if you commute farther than 60
    miles, you're screwed and like all hybrids with batteries, they get
    expensive to replace.
     
    Islamicstitter, Jun 23, 2006
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    Don Ocean Guest

    Bullshit... In 1960 Porsche made a cheap piece of shit called
    a Lloyd for the cheap car market. It had 2 aircooled Engine
    options. 24 horse and 27 horse. It was either a 2 cylinder or a
    3 cylinder. it got 35 to 40 miles per gallon. it came with a manifold
    heater and a red dash lite to tell you when you were low on gas and
    then set the reserve lever like on a motorcycle. The car had no real top
    end as long as the horsepower could push it. Down hill at a 100 mph
    and uphill at ever slowing speeds. The car cost $900 and weighed
    900 lbs. a dollar a lb. and it did just fine in the El Cajon pass
    for crosswind steering. It was a front wheel drive, carried 4 passengers
    with room to spare and a healthy man could pick up either end of it.
    Do remember the 1948 Chevy..Weighed 2800 lbs and did just fine on the
    road. Everybody felt that heavy cars held the road better. A Buick or a
    Pontiac in the 40's weighed about 3200 Lbs. The new Corvette weighs
    about 4,400 lbs and is ignorantly called a sports car. You do remember
    the Volkswagon Bug// And the Volkswagon Karmen Ghia with a red hot
    Porsche Engine that ran well over 100 mph.. Or perhaps the Lotus Elite
    that weighed 860 lbs and went around 140 mph curves like it was on
    railroad tracks. Or the Bug eyed Dishpan shaped Austin Healey sprite
    that you froze you ass off in, but couldn't tip it over. It was the
    only little car in the early 60's that could safely pass over the
    windy Pali Highway Oahu, Hawaiia. The wind hit the cliff reversed and
    swept cars off the highway. Lots of folks died there ..before relief
    Ports were tunneled into the cliffs allowing the wind to bypass the
    highway. I don't know what the MiniCooper gets for mileage, but it looks
    like a good option for the economy minded. Some nice little Fiats too.
    Dodge has a itty-bitty car also as does Ford... Maybe Chevy too.
    Anybody remember the ballon tire Bicycle with the 170 mpg Whizzer
    add on motor. How about the Austrian Puch that was so popular until the
    Spanish bought it and redesigned it. Remember the Doodle Bug
    Motorscooter with a 5\8ths horse Briggs motor. Or the Cushmans.
    How about the Harley Davidson courier motorcycles. the 125cc, the 145cc
    And the 165cc... Or the Harley Davidson 45CI used by the military and
    others. The 1952 AeroWillis got 40 mpg with a 6 cylinger sewing
    machine engine and a 3 spped stick with fast overdrive. Nash Metopolitan
    had an Austin Engine and a Borgwarner stick and got about the same.
    Don't forget Henry J... Little bugger was fast. Or the little Hudson Jet.
     
    Don Ocean, Jun 23, 2006
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    Don Ocean Guest

    Try one in South Dakota when its -30º F.. you might get 10 miles with a
    frozen ass.
     
    Don Ocean, Jun 23, 2006
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  9. Let's see if it gets launched in 2009 as claimed.

    Treehuggers can put their money where there mouth is. Lorema is still
    seeking investors -- go to their website:

    www.loremo.com

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Jun 23, 2006
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    Just Facts Guest

    Sorry it's the consumers who won't buy even the much more fuel efficient
    cars that are now available.
    Fortunately the current higher gasoline prices are getting people
    thinking just a little bit.
    By the way, what do you drive?
     
    Just Facts, Jun 23, 2006
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    Some O Guest

    Bullshit...[/QUOTE]
    He's right.
    I had a few VW Beatles at 1,600 lb which were very difficult to keep
    going straight in a strong cross wind and a gusty strong was downright
    scarry. I drove lots of miles with the VW, at the time they suited me
    far better than the huge USA cars of the time, that got such low fuel
    mileage.
    However these little cars are OK in inner city use.
    Nope. I had that engine in an Austin, 30mpg US max.
    My 3.3 L Chrysler Concord gets mileage as good as the 50s Austin 4 and
    the VW Beatle, with the advantage it's very stable, in fact strong wind
    is hardly noticed.
    For todays small cars the Toyota Yaris is excellent for reliability and
    fuel mileage, but still an urban vehicle.
     
    Some O, Jun 23, 2006
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    ray Guest

    You know, I don't really think that's true. The biggest obstacle to
    something like that is the consumerists. They've worked so tirelessly to
    make cars heavier for 40 years, dragging the politicians and automakers
    along kicking and screaming. Just like you, they thought the auto makers
    were trying to "kill us all" by making us crash. Because the people who
    built cars were "bad" or "out to do us all in" or something. They've made
    sure there won't be any really lightweight cars.

    There are no thermodynamic obstacles to a 100 mpg car. Heck, I've got an
    old Manco Go-kart here with 1 wheel drive that would do it just fine. It's
    probably 25 or 30 years old. The obstacles are safety-related.[/QUOTE]

    What in hell is a Manco Go Cart?
     
    ray, Jun 23, 2006
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  13. What in hell is a Manco Go Cart?
    [/QUOTE]
    He needs to get 'im a Reliant Regal Supervan III, don' 'e Del Boy?


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    Eeyore Guest

    They don't even need to be heavy to be stable.

    Unfotunately it's seen as 'simple common sense' that heavy cars re stronger by
    the public since they don't understand real science. The safest car is often
    quite light.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jun 24, 2006
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    Eeyore Guest

    There's little doubt in my mind that smaller turbo diesel powered cars are going
    to get very, very popular in the future. Heck, one TV motoring magaizine even
    put a sporty 2.0l turbo diesel round the track against its 1.8l petrol engined
    brother and the diesel won ! Diesels also have great torque which US drivers
    like I believe.

    Even some high-end marques that once eschewed diesels now include them in their
    ranges such as Jaguar and Saab.

    The 'euro Chevvy' just introduced over here also has a diesel option.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jun 24, 2006
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    Eeyore Guest

    He's right.
    I had a few VW Beatles at 1,600 lb which were very difficult to keep
    going straight in a strong cross wind and a gusty strong was downright
    scarry.[/QUOTE]

    A Beetle is 1000 miles away from any modrn car. There were plenty of other bad
    things about it too.

    To dismiss today's lighter cars on the basis of a 1930s design is about as
    retarded as it gets.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jun 24, 2006
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    Eeyore Guest

    Do you remember the Bond Bug ? I bet that had good mpg !

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jun 24, 2006
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    Dave Head Guest

    1000 lbs? Not after they hang 5 mph bumpers on it, install crumple zones,
    collapsing steering column, air bags, side air bags, antilock brakes, and 500
    more lbs of anti-pollution equipment all mandated, was mandated, or will be
    mandated crap that the US Federal Government did/does/will require. Oh, and
    the diesel itself is or will be banned...

    Dave Head
     
    Dave Head, Jun 24, 2006
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    Eeyore Guest

     
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    Dave Head Guest

     
    Dave Head, Jun 24, 2006
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