Mobil1 oil filter?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Rick Merrill, Oct 8, 2003.

  1. Rick Merrill

    Rick Merrill Guest

    Changed to Mobil 1, and they keep telling me
    to use a "Mobil 1 filter." Is this Really a
    special filter designed for synthetics OR is
    it just a Branded oil filter? - RM
     
    Rick Merrill, Oct 8, 2003
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    Mike Behnke Guest

    Just advertising.It's probably no better than a Purolator PureOne
    filter, but about twice as expensive and the PureOne. (Based on PureOne
    PL14670 @ $5 vs Mobbil 1M1-204 @ $10.) A MotorCraft equivelent runs
    around $4, and has PureOne internals.

    The have been numerous reports of the Mobil 1 filters failing at the
    backplate to can crimp.

    Wix also makes a very good filter. It is also rebranded as a NAPA Gold
    and STP.

    Stay away from the Chrysler Servere Duty, Quaker State, Fram and Penzoil.
     
    Mike Behnke, Oct 8, 2003
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  3. I can see the last three warnings, and here come the oil filter wars
    again, but what problem have you found with Chrysler 53020311 Severe Duty?
    They work well for me and do not have the cheesy/flimsy construction and
    materials of Fram etc.

    DS
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Oct 8, 2003
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  4. Rick Merrill

    Mike Behnke Guest

    The Mopar Severe Duty filters that were were built by Wix, are now
    looking to be built by Fram, based on comparisons in the US and Canada.

    See "Important Update" section at http://www.allpar.com/eek/oil.html,
    right after your condensed response regarding the PH-16 and PH-8A
    "controversy". AllPar has removed your endorsement of the Mopar SD
    filter in your response due to the mounting evidence of the change in
    manufacturer.
     
    Mike Behnke, Oct 8, 2003
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  5. Interesting -- I last bought a 53020311 Severe Duty filter one month ago
    here in Ontario. Bought two, actually. One went on the bench and got cut
    up and scrutinized. It appears to be the same Dana (Wix) filter I've
    always gotten under this part number.

    THe other one went on my truck.

    DS
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Oct 8, 2003
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  6. The minimopar site is gone, but here's another cut-apart of the 53020311:

    http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy-mopar.html#m53020311

    Interesting: This is NOT the same guts as the 53020311 I cut apart a month
    ago. I still have it around here somewhere, I'll check the date code. It's
    entirely possible I got an "old stock" unit from when Dana/Wix made it, or
    else Chrysler buys them from more than one source. Either way, I agree
    with you -- it seems this filter can no longer reliably be assumed to be
    good, therefore it does belong on the "don't use" list.

    DS
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Oct 8, 2003
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  7. Rick Merrill

    Mike Behnke Guest

    Possibly "old" stock?

    Try the Wix 51452. Same filter, different paint job.
     
    Mike Behnke, Oct 8, 2003
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  8. Rick Merrill

    Steve Guest


    Who are "they?" :)

    The Mobil 1 filter isn't entirely a scam. Its a very, very good filter
    and is particularly recommended in engines with
    high-volume/high-pressure oil pumps because it has a thicker can and
    baseplate material that is able to withstand higher pressures. Sometimes
    even the M1 filter will fail in those applications (base crimp to can,
    from what I've read) but its far less likely to fail than filters with
    thin walls and thin baseplates, which just tend to blow completely off
    the mounting base (the threads in the thin baseplate fail).

    I use M1 filters on my '69 440 which easily devlops 80 PSI at cold idle.
    All the other cars get Wix or Purolator Pure One filters. All the cars
    get Mobil 1 oil. The filter media is not particularly better in the
    Mobil 1 filter, and in fact the Pure One probably has the best filter
    material.
     
    Steve, Oct 8, 2003
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  9. Rick Merrill

    Rick Merrill Guest

    Guys at the Mobil station :)

    Thanks for the observations. - RM
     
    Rick Merrill, Oct 8, 2003
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  10. | On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Mike Behnke wrote:
    |
    | > The Mopar Severe Duty filters that were were built by Wix, are now
    | > looking to be built by Fram, based on comparisons in the US and Canada.
    |
    | The minimopar site is gone, but here's another cut-apart of the 53020311:
    |
    |
    http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy-mopar.html#m53020311
    |
    | Interesting: This is NOT the same guts as the 53020311 I cut apart a month
    | ago. I still have it around here somewhere, I'll check the date code. It's
    | entirely possible I got an "old stock" unit from when Dana/Wix made it, or
    | else Chrysler buys them from more than one source. Either way, I agree
    | with you -- it seems this filter can no longer reliably be assumed to be
    | good, therefore it does belong on the "don't use" list.
    |
    | DS
    |

    Perhaps Chrysler is trying to "go-on-the-cheap" to stem the financial
    blood-letting they've experienced lately. The service guy told me yesterday
    that the dealer shop has replaced more new alternators in recent models than
    has been replaced in years prior...new source for alternators also, perhaps?
    Apparently Chrysler alternators historically are very reliable...
     
    James C. Reeves, Oct 8, 2003
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  11. I'm not sure about design, but any quality oil filter will work with
    Mobil 1.


    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 8, 2003
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  12. Rick Merrill

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Really old stock -- I'd heard they'd switched to Fram years ago.
    Maybe it is just multiple sources...
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Oct 9, 2003
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  13. Rick Merrill

    Steve Guest

    James C. Reeves wrote:

    I believe that dealer replacement parts have always been contracted out
    to the low bidder over the years. That's one reason I never buy
    expendables like filters at the dealer, and never have done so.

    Back when Chrysler built their own alternators, they were extremely
    reliable. Since the 80s, though, they've been installing Nippondenso and
    Bosch alternators, same as you find in Toyotas and Volkswagens among
    countless others. Those are hit-and-miss depending on the particular
    alternator model. The Nippondensos have a characteristic failure (the
    pin that grounds the rectifier bank to the case is too small and will
    fail if the connection begins to loosen or corrode) but otherwise hold
    up EXTREMELY well. Not sure about the Bosches, but I've generally had
    rotten luck with everything labelled "Bosch" except my coffee maker :)
     
    Steve, Oct 9, 2003
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  14. BRANDED FILTER
     
    VINTAGE DEALS, Oct 9, 2003
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