Losing control of the fuel efficiency debate

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    "...if there is a second Clinton administration, led by Sen. Hillary
    Clinton, she plans to push to double the fuel economy of U.S. cars and
    trucks to 55 miles per gallon by 2030.

    "Sen. Clinton's ambitious energy platform is just one sign of how the
    auto industry has lost control of the fuel efficiency debate after two
    decades of successfully spinning demands for tougher mileage standards
    as assaults on safety, jobs and freedom. It was a great, V-8 powered
    ride. Now it's over..."

    Wall Street Journal: http://301url.com/eoe
     
    Nomen Nescio, Nov 22, 2007
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  2. Excellent.
     
    JoeSpareBedroom, Nov 22, 2007
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  3. Nomen Nescio

    Scott Guest

    Now there is a dreamy, pulled from the sky number.

    Sounds good, lets demand that automakers DOUBLE the mpg
    they get!

    Somebody just needs to tell her never held a job, doesn't know
    anything about chemistry or mechanics, liberal, educated idiot
    ass that this just can't be done.
     
    Scott, Nov 22, 2007
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  4. Is that 55 number for all models from a manufacturer? Or, is it an average
    to be reached for an entire model line?
     
    JoeSpareBedroom, Nov 22, 2007
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  5. Nomen Nescio

    witfal Guest

    She's an idiot, period. And another political hack who prefaces her
    "save the world" facade with phrases like, "We need to <fill in the
    blank>."

    Needs. Never solutions.
     
    witfal, Nov 22, 2007
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    HLS Guest

    This is common, however, to set goals that seem impossible, but timespans
    that leave no one remembering how all this crap got started.

    IF we could average 55 mpg, that would be superb...And we will never do
    it unless goals are set and results demanded. (No, I dont think it is
    possible
    by todays standards, but who knows??)
     
    HLS, Nov 22, 2007
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    witfal Guest

    It would have to be the latter. 55 mpg is never going to happen for
    pickups. I can imagine trying to tow a boat with a 55 mpg truck.

    Right.
     
    witfal, Nov 22, 2007
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  8. Shhhhhh....let's see what Scott says.
     
    JoeSpareBedroom, Nov 22, 2007
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  9. Uh oh. Some idiot's going to interpret the word "nudge" to mean GUVMINT
    CONTROL DROOL BURP YOU'RE A SOCIALIST.

    Heh. :)
     
    JoeSpareBedroom, Nov 22, 2007
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  10. Which ones?

    Do you have any references for these cars that have been available for
    decades?
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Nov 22, 2007
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  11. Nomen Nescio

    DanG Guest

    Please explain to me what solutions were offered by the
    Bush/Cheney administration. My fuel costs doubled, my salary/cost
    of living/cost of health picture is worse, my health costs prevent
    my retirement, and my grandchildren will never see a balanced
    budget or recovery from massive war debts.

    I am more than ready for change. I think I am ready for Ron Paul.

    --
    ______________________________
    Keep the whole world singing . . . .
    DanG (remove the sevens)
     
    DanG, Nov 22, 2007
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  12. Nomen Nescio

    Scott Guest


    He can't, because there has been only one car I can remember
    that ever got that kind of mileage and sold more than a few cars.

    Honda made a 600 around 1970 that got 55 or so.
    It made a mini cooper look big, and they probably just
    buried anybody killed in an accident with the car because
    they couldn't get them out of it.

    This is what will meet the 55 mpg Hillary wants.
    There is no magical "technology" that is greately
    going to improve fuel mileage.
    Microelectronics have already made the small gains
    in fuel economy that are possible with computer engine
    management.
     
    Scott, Nov 22, 2007
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  13. Nomen Nescio

    badgolferman Guest

    Volkswagen Rabbit Diesel came pretty close.
     
    badgolferman, Nov 22, 2007
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  14. Nomen Nescio

    witfal Guest

    For everyone ELSE to drive. She, otoh, will continue to be driven
    around in gas-gulping SUVs and limos.

    After all, she's worth it.
     
    witfal, Nov 22, 2007
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  15. When you find someone who will make a Prius bulletproof, please pass the
    information on to ALL political candidates, all of whom will always use big
    cars.
     
    JoeSpareBedroom, Nov 22, 2007
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  16. Nomen Nescio

    witfal Guest

    I'd rather put them all in an airtight anything. For a few days.

    The best story involves Maxine Waters, an embarrassment from Los
    Angeles. She couldn't be troubled to walk 300 feet for lunch.

    Her Ford Expedition shuttled her the 100 yards needed to feed her ample girth.
     
    witfal, Nov 22, 2007
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  17. Let me guess: Bad knees, but hereditary, nothing to do with her eating a
    container of Bon Bons every day.
     
    JoeSpareBedroom, Nov 22, 2007
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    witfal Guest

    That's it. It's always hereditary.
     
    witfal, Nov 22, 2007
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    F.H. Guest


    Maxine Waters is not overweight. Witless just pulled "ample girth" out
    of his ass. More stereotypes.
     
    F.H., Nov 22, 2007
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    ScottM Guest

    Not to worry, you can just pay a huge gas guzzler TAX and you can drive what
    you want.

    This way the Hillerbeast gets what she wants, tax money.
     
    ScottM, Nov 22, 2007
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