Hemi Not a Hemi

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Greg Beaulieu, Jun 18, 2004.

  1. Greg Beaulieu, Jun 18, 2004
  2. Regardless, the performance is exceptional and that is what matters.
    Peter A. Stavrakoglou, Jun 18, 2004
  3. Greg Beaulieu

    Richard Guest

    Recent tests of pickups suggest that the Ford's 150 non-hemi outperformed
    the Chrysler pickup. In other, a good motor is a good motor and hemi in
    itself is pure hype.

    Richard, Jun 18, 2004
  4. Greg Beaulieu

    Jack Baruth Guest

    That's okay, the Ford truck V8 isn't actually a mythical sea-god,
    and the outgoing Magnum engine ran on gas, not champagne or gunpowder.
    Jack Baruth, Jun 18, 2004
  5. Greg Beaulieu

    Steve Guest

    Depending on how anal-retentive you want to be, the 60s 426 Hemi wasn't
    a "Hemi" either. The combustion chamber was tilted relative to the axis
    of the cylinder, and the valve angles were not equal.

    BIG DEAL. Despite minor modifications to improve flame propagation and
    emissions, its still a hemi-head engine.
    Steve, Jun 18, 2004
  6. Greg Beaulieu

    Steve Guest

    Unfortunately, the Ford Modular v8 is NOT a "good motor" by any stretch
    of the imagination. It has been whipped and beaten into an engine that
    is reasonably serviceable- a process that has taken 10+ years and more
    revisions than anyone can keep track of, but that is hardly the record
    of a "good" engine.

    Here's an article, written by admitted Chevy fans, that describes the
    engineering advantages of the Chrysler 5.7L "Hemi" v8 in great detail.
    It comes out better than the GM LS-6 Very much worth the read:


    And by the way, in the 4th picture from the top on the left hand side,
    you can clearly see the "deviation" from a true Hemi head that the idiot
    in the first article is so worked up about. Again I say, BIG DEAL. A
    little filling-in was done on the sides making the chamber more
    elliptical- its still much more nearly a Hemi than either a wedge or a
    pent-roof chamber.
    Steve, Jun 18, 2004
  7. Greg Beaulieu

    NJ Vike Guest


    I don't know about the Modular V8 but I sure wish someone at Ford would take
    care of that ()*&T(^$ piston slap that I had on my '00 and now on my '03

    NJ Vike, Jun 19, 2004
  8. Greg Beaulieu

    Joe Guest

    It's pretty obvious what the purpose of calling it a "hemi" is. Isn't it?
    How many times does the word "hemi" occur in that series of Durango
    commercials? Are you naturally mesmerized by commercials?

    You've insulted the intelligence of the whole group. Here's a news flash:
    "Ram" is also just marketing type. It's not really a ram. It's more of a
    pickup truck.
    Joe, Jun 19, 2004
  9. Greg Beaulieu

    Matt Whiting Guest

    I guess that "semi hemi" just wouldn't have worked in the ads...

    Matt Whiting, Jun 19, 2004
  10. Greg Beaulieu

    Steve Guest

    That's a Modular v8 (5.4, and 4.6L). Piston slap is an issue all of the
    makers are having to deal with as they go to short-skirt "slipper type"
    hypereutectic pistons in order to get a tight seal with lower losses
    (although you might note from that article that the Chrysler v8
    addresses it at the outset with coated-skirt pistons). But NOT all the
    makers have had massive oil consumption issues, head castings that erode
    through the water jacket, lower ends breaking out of the block under
    heavy use, and all the other myriad things that Ford has had happen with
    the modular v8. It was originally designed as a *very* light-duty v8 for
    light cars, and at some point some bean-counter decided "hey, we could
    use this to replace the (more expensive to build but much stronger)
    Windsor small-block and use it to drag 2.5-ton Expeditions around!"
    Steve, Jun 19, 2004
  11. Greg Beaulieu

    Steve Guest

    It IS a Hemi engine in one very key regard- the valve heads move AWAY
    from the cylinder walls as the valve lifts off the seat. This, not the
    actual shape of the chamber, is the most important characteristic of a
    "hemi" head anyway.
    Steve, Jun 19, 2004
  12. Greg Beaulieu

    Bill Putney Guest

    Nor would the "quadrant". 8^)

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
    Bill Putney, Jun 19, 2004
  13. Wow. You got one shoddy Ford, so you went and bought another shoddy Ford?

    I think there's a bigger problem with you than there is with your Fords,
    and that's really saying something.
    Daniel J. Stern, Jun 19, 2004
  14. Greg Beaulieu

    NJ Vike Guest


    You mean to tell me that even GM and Chrysler have them as well?

    The service manager Ford/Toyota had stated that some Toyota SUVs have them

    Does this mean the engine won't last as long?

    NJ Vike, Jun 19, 2004
  15. Greg Beaulieu

    NJ Vike Guest

    What? One vehicle and your through with the company for life? I happen to
    have enjoyed the '00 Expy up until it reached 50K. When I questioned the
    dealer about the situation, he stated that there were problems from '97 -
    '99 and that the new ones should not have this problem. They also said that
    this is normal and I sold the vehicle. Later I'm learning that this is
    normal and happens in other vehicles.

    In addition, there was nothing that Chrysler, GM or Toyota offered that was
    better for that year, IMO. That's not to say that the Expy was a great
    choice but that the others had fell short on my list of options.

    NJ Vike, Jun 19, 2004
  16. I've been bitten hard enough by enough different Fords to say "NEVER
    again". Same goes for VW.
    Daniel J. Stern, Jun 19, 2004
  17. Greg Beaulieu

    doc Guest


    Aren't you the guy who said, "Wow. You got one shoddy Ford, so you went and
    bought another shoddy Ford?"

    So, how many did YOU buy before you realized "there's a bigger problem with
    you than there is with your Fords." Not to mention the VWs, LOL!
    doc, Jun 19, 2004
  18. I'm the very same guy.
    None. The futility of trying to keep others' foolishly-purchased Fords
    (and VWs) on the road clearly demonstrated to me what pieces of crap both
    makes are without having to waste any of my own money.

    Daniel J. Stern, Jun 19, 2004
  19. Greg Beaulieu

    doc Guest

    Okay. Apparently, you work on others' vehicles for free. That explains the
    futility. Maybe if you charged them, you'd welcome their "foolishness."
    Cars that don't need repairs must not be very welcome to auto technicians,
    unless they're either incompetent or lazy. Not that either applies to you,
    of course.

    So, how there could be a "NEVER again" if there wasn't a first time?
    doc, Jun 19, 2004
  20. Greg Beaulieu

    Bill Putney Guest

    Well, they say that a smart man learns from his mistakes, but a really
    wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
    Bill Putney, Jun 19, 2004
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