HELP!!! Gona have me one 300C Touring Disel... HELP!!!

Discussion in 'Chrysler 300' started by 2BIG4U, Jun 20, 2005.

  1. 2BIG4U

    2BIG4U Guest

    Hello!

    I living in Sweden(North Europe).

    i planing to by a 300C Touring, with the new disel 320cdi from the
    Mercedes.

    What i is whondering is...
    If the 300C touring 2,7l-3.5l or the 5,8l, has had any problem, and
    what type in case of problem: Electrical, bad noices in the car
    etc...?

    How many miloes have youre car on the tripmeter....
    Changing tyres yet? at what mile was it time for that...

    Here in Sweden it have 225/60/18 tires byt in the state i have been
    told that it is typ-registred whit 17" weels what more is the
    tires...205-215/65-70/17 or what?

    I`m going to run it as a Taxicab, so i whant it too work properly, and
    not having it with the car-doctor.garage...

    Hope some of you can give me any ideas.
    Hopfully i did whrite so you did understand what i was refering to.

    Have a nice day, take care...

    Mike
     
    2BIG4U, Jun 20, 2005
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  2. 2BIG4U

    MoPar Man Guest

    Been there a few times. Nice place.
    A diesel engine is not offered in North America for the Chrysler 300
    series. Seeing that diesel fuel currently costs about 10% more than
    regular gasoline, I don't know why you'd buy a car with a diesel
    engine these days. They're noisy and they stink.
    The 300 has many parts made by Mercedes (like the suspension and
    transmission). For us here in USA/Canada, that usually means it will
    be more expensive to repair these items compared to when all the parts
    were made by Chrysler (or - made for Chrysler) by secondary parts
    makers in north america. Because the 300 is an "exotic" car in
    Sweden, I expect you will pay a lot for replacement parts.
    Most versions of the 300 have 17" wheels. The all-wheel-drive version
    of the 300 Touring does come with 18" wheels, and so does the AWD/RWD
    versions of the 300C. The SRT-8 version comes with 20" wheels (and I
    believe a 6.1 liter engine).

    The 17" tire size is 215-65-17
    I own a 2000 300M (the previous version of the 300, which is much
    better looking then the
    pimp-mobile-bently-SUV-front-end-in-your-face-no-class submarine new
    version which you are asking about). I am completely satisfied with
    how well my 300m has performed in the 5 years and 90,000 km I have
    driven it.
    Tire life is more dependant on the brand of tire and your own driving
    style than on the car you put them on. That said, there are
    pathetically few tire choices here in North America for the 17" wheels
    on the 300 (215-65-17). Chrysler chose a stock tire size for the 300
    where only shitty tires are available in that size.

    You will be better off to change the tire slightly to 225-55-17 (more
    choices).
    Yea, I've seen a few 300m's in Netherlands used as Taxi's.
    So that rules out Volkswagen, Saab and Volvo.

    The 300 series has only been available for about a year. It may be
    too early for repair information about them.

    http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/chrysler_300_base_2005/14703/style_reliability.html

    http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?modelid=11136&trimid=-1&src=GBT

    Here's a web site you might find interesting:

    http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/
     
    MoPar Man, Jun 21, 2005
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  3. Much better fuel economy, esp in city driving. That's why even in the UK,
    which has been traditionally anti-diesel, the diesel car is on the rapid
    rise, despite the fact that the price of the fuel is about the same as
    petrol.

    You'll have to update your view on smell when you see modern engines run on
    modern, low-sulfur fuel.

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    [...]
    I don't know why you'd buy a car with a diesel
    [...]
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Jun 21, 2005
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  4. 2BIG4U

    MoPar Man Guest

    Diesel engine costs more as an option:

    "Volkswagen's midsize 2005 Passat diesel sedan has a starting MSRP of
    $23,360. This compares with $22,070 for a comparable gasoline Passat
    model." (1)

    Prohibited by law:

    "Diesel models are limited in their availability in the U.S. because
    five states—California, New York, Massachusetts, Maine and Vermont
    prohibit their sale due to emission restrictions." (1)

    But produce more torque:

    "Yet the 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine in the Passat TDI, as the
    diesel versions are called, puts out an amazing 247 lb-ft of torque at
    a low 1900 rpm vs. the 166 lb-ft of torque at 1950 rpm in the
    1.8-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine in the base Passat sedan." (1)

    Get better gas milage:

    "Thanks to its higher energy content and its efficient combustion
    process, diesel performance enables cars to travel at least 30%
    farther on a gallon of fuel than comparable gasoline models." (2)

    But the savings will take time to pay-back the initial increased cost:

    "Thus, if drivers maximized the diesel's fuel economy and got the 7
    extra miles per gallon, it would take about four years to recoup the
    approximately $1,200 extra cost for the Passat's diesel engine." (1)

    Which will take more time to pay-back if diesel continues to be more
    expensive to buy than gasoline. And, not every urban filling station
    has a diesel pump. In some cases, drivers might need to venture
    farther from suburban neighborhoods to locate a place to fill up.

    And they are noisy (more than a comparible gas engine).

    Diesel is more popular in Europe because it is taxed less than
    gasoline:

    "The demand for diesel in Europe is fueled by the high cost of
    gasoline. (Unequal taxation of the two fuels results in diesel costing
    about one dollar less per gallon in most European countries.)" (2)

    It takes more oil to make a gallon of diesel than for gasoline, so the
    relative efficiencies of diesel and the costs to consumer due to
    taxation really make the attraction of diesel questionable:

    "It should be noted, however, that it takes about 25% more oil to make
    a gallon of diesel fuel than a gallon of gasoline, so we should really
    look at how a vehicle does on fuel efficiency in terms of "oil
    equivalents." Thus, we need to adjust the mileage claims for diesel
    vehicles downward by about 20% when comparing them to gasoline-powered
    vehicles." (2)

    Although diesel engines generate less carbon dioxide (only because of
    their slightly better fuel economy), they put out more smog-forming
    pollutants than gasoline engines:

    "when it comes to smog-forming pollutants and toxic particulate
    matter, also known as soot, today's diesels are still a lot dirtier
    than the average gasoline car." (2)

    It will take more effort and cost than it's worth to make diesel
    cleaner than gasoline:

    "To meet the tougher pollution standards, high-tech diesel engines
    need low-sulfur diesel fuel. Unfortunately, US Department of Energy
    modeling has shown this fuel to be more oil and carbon-intensive than
    reformulated gasoline. Making a gallon of diesel fuel requires 25%
    more oil and emits 17% more heat-trapping greenhouse gases than
    gasoline reformulated with MTBE. Similarly, diesel requires 17% more
    oil and emits 18% more heat-trapping gases than gasoline reformulated
    with ethanol. This means that diesel fuel's advantages from its higher
    per-gallon energy content and better performance on greenhouse gases
    are partially offset by the impact of diesel's fuel-production
    process."

    (1)
    http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022630

    (2)
    http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/04-12/diesel-vs-gasoline-article.htm

    For more info, see here:

    The Diesel Dilemma
    Diesel's Role in the Race for Clean Cars

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/cars_and_suvs/page.cfm?pageID=1307
     
    MoPar Man, Jun 21, 2005
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  5. 2BIG4U

    Art Guest

    Last year I was in the UK and had a 90 minute ride to the airport in a
    Chrysler diesel minivan. The only way I knew it was a diesel was because
    the driver told me so. It was quiet, no smell, and acceleration was no
    different (from a passenger point of view) than gasoline engine.


     
    Art, Jun 21, 2005
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  6. A number of your points are US-centric, others contain sweeping
    generalisations, others are interesting and instructive.

    See below.

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    FROM DAS: Not with Mercedes, and differentials are coming down. Can't
    speak about US.
    FROM DAS: A US problem only.
    FROM DAS: I agree. Not everyone thinks it through (where it applies).

    [...]
    FROM DAS: US-centric. In Europe it's ubiquitous.
    FROM DAS: True, but difference is getting less. Inside the car it is hard
    to tell.
    FROM DAS: As I said, in Britain diesel costs about the same as petrol.
    However, in other countries there are varying differentials. In some (all?)
    there is 'compensation' by extra taxes on the cars, either at purchase or on
    the road-usage tax. I suppose it's a way of helping commercial traffic
    without giving the same advantage to private transport.
    FROM DAS: Very instructive. I wonder what the real-world situation is,
    i.e. the marginal cost of making diesel in the general refining process.
    FROM DAS: True, but modern engines have increasingly efficient particulate
    filters such that the difference is not so great any more and shrinking.
    FROM DAS: Not so in the real world. The forthcoming filters on Mercedes
    (and probably other) cars should be very interesting. Everyone will follow
    suit in the end.
    FROM DAS: As above.

    What are Ann Job's credentials? Well-known motoring journalist or stringer
    who happens to be doing an article on a topical motoring subject? (Sorry, I
    don't know who she is.) FROM DAS: Something about the article makes me think it takes a US-centric
    view and does not take European developments fully into account, e.g. modern
    soot filters.

    FROM DAS: It is sometimes a dilema but the article isn't entirely accurate,
    e.g the comment about low-tax diesel fuel. For a Brit to take his/her car
    to, say, the Netherlands and fill up with much cheaper diesel is great fun
    while it lasts, bu the locals pay in other ways, as mentioned above.

    For commercial traffic it is, apparently, no contest. All heavy goods
    vehicles run on diesels. And they are all turbocharged, of course, hence
    the small engine compartments. Well, passenger cars have turbodiesels as
    well.
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Jun 21, 2005
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  7. 2BIG4U

    calcerise Guest

    The simple and best fix in the US would be to do as the military did
    and go over to the JP-8 spec which is good for all diesels and gas
    turbines. Euro on-road diesel is almost there now.

    At any rate, US car buyers are not as anti-diesel as the US car dealer
    network is. Modern common rail tech WILL work with current US onroad
    diesel-the Duramax is HP common rail and runs on any US onroad diesel.
     
    calcerise, Jun 22, 2005
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  8. 2BIG4U

    2BIG4U Guest

    I have been in touch with the cardealer, and he had neu info for
    mee...

    it is a 3,0disel engin, vith 218horsepower and 520torq wen the engin
    is spinnin at 1800...

    Top speed 230km/h
    0-100km/h is done in 8,3sec.

    And the middleconsumtion is 8-9Liter/100km

    I recond thats ok for that kind of car... :lol:

    Now the only thing yhat i´m wored about is how it will handel, in the
    snow, bicuse of the fat tire 225/60-18, it might be a bit of a
    challinge...

    Take care...
    Mike
     
    2BIG4U, Jun 24, 2005
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