Gas Tank Fill Location All Wrong

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by George Orwell, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. George Orwell

    Jeff Guest

    You're evidence of your last comment.

    The number of problems like explosions at self-service gas stations and
    with gasoline, in general, is rather small. I'd like to see the evidence
    that there really is a problem at self-service gas stations.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Nov 18, 2007
  2. George Orwell

    Mike Marlow Guest

    Too bad Oregon seems to grow (or is it cultivate?) such a miserable crop of
    human beings. We don't suffer the things you seem to, in other parts of the
    country.
     
    Mike Marlow, Nov 18, 2007
  3. George Orwell

    Paul Johnson Guest

    Arco mini-serve stations piss me off for that reason and I'll go to
    any other station nearby if it's an option. Part of minimum service
    is not making me get out of the car to pay...
     
    Paul Johnson, Nov 18, 2007
  4. George Orwell

    Paul Johnson Guest

    If New Jersey handles diesel self service like they do in Oregon, then
    a Public Utilities Commission number and commercial driver's license
    is required for self service. I never understood why self-service is
    so popular for truckers, though, although some of the Oregon and
    Washington based owner-operators are starting to get wise to the fact
    that if they don't jump through all the hoops to pump for themselves,
    they get 20 or 30 minutes free to go grab a meal or a shower while
    someone else refuels their truck at no extra charge.
     
    Paul Johnson, Nov 18, 2007
  5. George Orwell

    Paul Johnson Guest

    Nope. Oregon has higher gas taxes than Washington and it's still way
    cheaper to get gas in Oregon than it is to do the gas station's job
    for them in Washington.
    Maybe if the station is empty. Driving professionally, when I get gas
    outside Oregon, it always takes longer because I'm stuck behind some
    dipshit who both can't pump quickly and thinks it's acceptable to go
    in the store while parked on the fuel line.
    It's not about whether you're too good to fill your own tank, it's
    about whether you want the incompetants pumping gas slowing everyone
    down, and to pay more to allow stupid people to spill. That insurance
    liability has to be paid by someone and the gas station's not just
    going to eat that cost.
     
    Paul Johnson, Nov 18, 2007
  6. George Orwell

    Jeff Guest

    Actually, Washington's taxes are 28 cents per gallon while Oregon's
    taxes are 24 cents per gallon (http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp).

    However, the gas taxes may be different depending on if the gas taxes
    include sales taxes (that go up with the price) or taxes on the number
    of gallons sold.
    In either New Jersey or PA, it is illegal to pump gasoline before it is
    paid for. However, the person going into the store may be just paying cash.
    No one has shown that there is higher liability tax on self-serve gas
    stations vs. full service.

    jeff
     
    Jeff, Nov 18, 2007
  7. George Orwell

    Bill Putney Guest

    I keep seeing spilling mentioned. Here in VA, it';s all self service,
    and I can't remember the last time I saw any kind of spill at the pump -
    I'm talking years.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Nov 19, 2007
  8. George Orwell

    Tom Guest

    ok, i will put this in plain English.
    you can not pump your own gas or diesel in New Jersey.
    not in a one pump station.
    not in a 50 pump truck stop on route 78.
    no where in the state of New Jersey can you pump your own fuel. there are
    big signs on all fuel pumps in the state of New Jersey that read do not pump
    your own fuel. wait for an attendant. it is against the law in the state of
    New Jersey to pump your own fuel.
     
    Tom, Nov 19, 2007
  9. George Orwell

    Mike Marlow Guest

    I'll agree with the gripe that it's annoying when some dipshit leaves his
    car at the pump to go inside and pay, only to amble around the store
    deciding what else he needs while he's in there. But - even worse is the
    lottery ticket asshole, but we won't go there. As far as pumping speed -
    I've never encountered anyone who pumped slow. You seem to have some
    unusual experiences.
    It does not take any degree of competence to pump gas. Your point there is
    dismissed. We also do not suffer spills in the rest of the country, simply
    due to self service. This must be a reflection of the Oregon citizenry.
     
    Mike Marlow, Nov 19, 2007
  10. I hear you about the low oil thing. Spun bearings have a really bad
    tendency to ruin your whole day don't they? lol. BTW I live in Iowa so I am
    nowhere near New Jersey or Oregon.
     
    Daniel Who Wants to Know, Nov 19, 2007
  11. WRONG Oregons gas taxes are 6 to 10 cents per gallon less than Washingtons.
    Google it, oregons is less than 30 cents per gallon, Washington is nearly
    40.


    Bullshit.

    I and many people I know, especially if you have a nice car, stop and fill
    up before the Oregon border or wait until we exit to keep these half assed
    carnies from touching our cars.



    Pay attention the next time you fuel up in Oregon, having these incompetent
    otherwise unemployable losers pump your gas by law does not keep them from
    spilling. Stick your head out the window the next time you are sitting
    there watching one of these losers pump your gas for you, and take a look at
    all the spills, or better get out and walk in it, you will feel it on the
    bottom of your shoes...

    I've lost 2 locking gas caps and had plenty of fuel spilled down my vehicles
    by these losers, even had one of the toothless wonders severely scratch the
    paint on a new black truck with his rag by vigorously rubbing road dirt and
    fuel around in an mindless attempt to clean his spilled fuel off the side of
    my truck.

    To this day if I have to get fuel in Oregon I get out and open the fuel door
    and stand there and supervise the idiots so I can mitigate their damage.
     
    My Name Is Nobody, Nov 19, 2007
  12. Not so, many automobile gas stations that sell diesel in Oregon state have
    signs posted on the diesel pump stating that by law their attendant does not
    have to pump the diesel fuel, and they don't unless you ask.
    As I recall there is a Chevron station on highway 99 in Sherwood Oregon that
    has one of these signs.
    Simple, they don't like one of these incompetents fucking their shit up.


    though, although some of the Oregon and
     
    My Name Is Nobody, Nov 19, 2007
  13. George Orwell

    Picasso Guest

    What about say police officers... or stand alone tank systems say at
    mills, or construction sites??
     
    Picasso, Nov 19, 2007
  14. Not going to happen there isn't any, 48 states all have decades worth of
    problem free self-serve gas pumping...

    In self-serve states, 95% of the people who pump gas are smarter and more
    competent than those pumping gas in Oregon and New Jersey. While at the
    same time 98% of the gas being pumped in Oregon and New Jersey is pumped by
    minimum wage otherwise unemployable incompetents.
     
    My Name Is Nobody, Nov 19, 2007
  15. Please name a gas station that offers complimentary fluids other than air
    and water.

    I've never seen anything other than air and water complimentary at any full
    serve gas station anywhere in the US, not anytime since the sixties anyway,
    maybe before that, but I wasn't a customer then...
     
    My Name Is Nobody, Nov 19, 2007
  16. I don't know what bazaro world you live in, but I find most people many
    times more careful with their own cars and their 3 plus dollar per gallon
    gas than any minimum wage flunkies pumping gas because it's the only job
    they can get.
     
    My Name Is Nobody, Nov 19, 2007
  17. Are you serious? If so, your definition of a scam is illogical, to say the
    least...


    Most states have different sales tax rates in different communities.


    Credit card companies put a stop to that, they will not let a merchant
    process credit cards if that merchant charges more for doing so. Just
    imagine how quick you would go out of business if you could not take
    plastic...
     
    My Name Is Nobody, Nov 19, 2007
  18. Huh?

    Welfare, last I looked, was paying people for NOT working. A worse
    disincentive program I cannot imagine.

    Paying people minimum wage to pump gas costs the economy a LOT
    less money, plus it gives the worker some employment history - which
    a LOT of them are going to need to get a better job. They won't get
    that from 2 years of welfare payments. And nobody makes a career
    out of a minimum wage gas pump shit job, just the same as nobody makes
    a career out of a minimum wage burger-flipping job. But, those jobs
    are needed to get those who have NO work experience whatsoever a
    leg up to get into the employment market.

    Getting rid of one more set of minimum wage jobs isn't going to make
    the practically-unemployable people go away. And our society isn't
    going to allow such people to just starve on the streets. Instead it is
    going to replace those minimum wage shit jobs with government handouts,
    and the government has had a long history of not doing things that
    private industry can do as well as private industry can do them. In the
    long run we all lose more money than the minor amount that might possibly
    be saved by eliminating these jobs. And, as I have said, the research
    has been done in the past and no significant difference in fuel prices has
    been observed from Oregon and the states around it.

    I can drive 20 minutes north into Washington State. And the fuel prices
    there are more expensive. Why? Because there's a state sales tax
    there that applies to vehicle fuel. The pump prices might be a penny
    or two lower - but the total price is higher when sales tax is included.
    Oregon has no sales tax.

    So why you want is for Oregon to make self service legal - which
    puts a lot of people out of work - which makes them go to the state
    begging for welfare handouts - which the state then has to get the money
    for by putting a sales tax on fuel - and where exactly is the savings?

    The only savings I see here is the less time the gas station owners have
    to spend doing payroll for fewer people. Whopdeedo. If the station
    owners don't like that, they can find another line of work. Plenty of
    people out there are willing to buy and run gas stations and have no
    problem with the way things currently are in the state.

    For a self-styled Republican you sure seem to like government solutions
    to societal problems. Probably explains why your party isn't doing so
    hot right now.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Nov 19, 2007
  19. No it doesen't. Gas pumps have vapor recovery sleeves on the
    nozzles that do this. If the pump handle is pulled full on the fuel
    rushes into the tank so fast that air can be trapped in the tank
    baffles. When the handle cuts off the first time, if time is then
    given for the trapped air to bubble out, more fuel can be put
    in the tank. The issue is more prevalent with some car and
    tank designs.

    The law is there because there are some morons who don't
    understand this and will just keep pulling the handle until they
    have raw gas spraying back out of the fill hole. THAT is what
    your probably thinking about with the preventing of pollution.
    But that isn't a failure of the gas pump, it is a failure of the brains
    of the people doing the filling to understand any of this.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Nov 19, 2007
  20. You are an idiot. All gas pump spouts have emergency disconnects. What the
    disconnect is, specifically, is an extremely thin connector joint between
    the
    hose and the handle, that is designed to fracture if some moron drives off
    with the spout still sitting in the gas tank fill hole in their car. This
    prevents a
    lot more expensive damage from occurring to the gas pump or hose or
    spout. Just because the disconnect isn't painted bright orange and playing
    a tune when you pull the handle out of the pump doesen't mean it's not
    there.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Nov 19, 2007
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