Gas Tank Fill Location All Wrong

There was never a self-service/mini-service station AFAICT. Full
service is more than just getting your gas pumped, if they're not also
washing your windows, checking your tires, lights and fluid levels,
you're not getting what you're paying for at a full service island.
Just getting your gas pumped is minimum-service, and the default in
New Jersey and Oregon. Minimum service islands are considerably
cheaper than self-service.

There were more, more recently than that, clear through the 1990s.

 

Must be a new feature this year.

 

Do your own damn research. It's posted on the fucking pump.

 

Oregon, though it's pretty common in Washington as well.

 

There's nothing wrong with bringing the hose to the vehicle, but
wrapping it across is. Just asking for a spill or the emergency
disconnect to split.

 

Full service or minimum service? If it's really full service, that's
a pretty good deal. If it's not full service, either you're getting
the terminology wrong, or they're guilty of false advertising...

 

How do you know? In Oregon and New Jersey, there are no self-service gas
stations. I doubt there are enough self-service diesel stations in New
Jersey to make a judgment.

Why do you think self-service is more expensive in the same market?

 

What a brilliant reply.

You should write that one down so you don't forget it.

Jeff

 

There are no emergency disconnect on any of the hoses I have seen in
California, the Midwest or the East Coast. Making an emergency
disconnect that can come apart easily is more stupid than your comments
is this thread.

I don't see how this is asking for a spill if the hose is long enough.

Jeff

 

Or the full service station is able to sell more oil and other services
to its costumers, making up for the cost of having more attendants.

Jeff

 

Varies from station to station and the mood of the attendant. Some offer to
check the oil, others don't. Not much different than it was 40 years ago.

 

In California, I haven't seen an attendant since the early 60's.

 

If that's all true, then we can have zero unemployment. Just mandate no
self serve all over the country - force all unemployed to pump gas.
Then all those people will magically get a paycheck, insurance, and
benefits, and there's absolutely zero cost to anyone. Someone needs to
tell Hillary about this!!

Something's not adding up here. You've just described a perpetual
motion machine.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

Oh, they're still inside running the C-store, or around back
wrenching on cars - if you are willing to pay a $.30 to $.50 premium
per gallon for the convenience, they'll be more than happy to drop
what they are doing to come out and pump your gas.

And if you are a regular customer (and known good tipper) you might
even get the tires checked or under the hood. But that's pushing the
boundaries nowadays.

We do have the law that they have to offer minimum service to the
handicapped at Self-Serve prices - CA Business & Professions Code
13360. But you might have to wave your HC Parking Permit to remind
the attendant, he isn't going to volunteer to come out unless you're a
regular whose car is recognized.

There is an exemption in B&PC 13360 if it's a one-man station, he
doesn't have to - in a bad neighborhood and/or at night, this is a
valid excuse for not leaving that nice safe bulletproof glass bunker
with a pass-drawer for the money. In a nice area on a nice day, it's
just an excuse for laziness.

And the Handicapped folks I know who can often will get out and pump
their own gas for a sense of normalcy. Or out of just plain mule
headed stubbornness, take your pick. ;-) And it's a good excuse to
get up and stretch, all drivers need to take time out to do that.

Many self-serve dispensers have a "not so hidden" button with a
Handicapped symbol on the front panel just for these folks, that
button disables the safety no-flow timeout delay after the pump is
activated. It might take them a little while to get the nozzle around
to the filler and start the flow, or to get the nozzle from the first
tank to the second tank on a pickup or motorhome.

--<< Bruce >>--

 

i have lived in jersey for 50 years, and have driven diesel vehicles for 40
years. and i have never seen a diesel self serve in jersey. mainly cause
jersey does not have self serve. there are big signs on all fuel pumps in
jersey, gas and diesel, that say do not pump your own fuel. wait for an
attendant. it is against the law in the state of new jersey to pump your own
fuel.

and don't even start with the top post crap. i have already read everything
in these posts. i don't need to read it again to see what i posted.

 

Well not necessarily "this year" but in the last few years at most
of the car makers I've seen.

It takes a while for everyone to get on board, even with a good,
simple and virtually free to implement idea - all it takes is a rework
of the printing mask for the instrument cluster to add that arrow.

--<< Bruce >>--

 

I'm going to call Bullshit on these alleged "laws", too. One Way
traffic enforced by law on private property? Where you can or can't
put the hose? Cites, please.

Most relevant state laws and codes are on the net somewhere, and
easily quoted, I know California's are -
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vc.htm
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html
http://www.calregs.com/

The One Way traffic one, I can see the property owner (gas station)
"Enforcing" their own rules by refusing you service, especially if you
jumped the line to come in the back way, but they can't give you a
traffic ticket.

The drive-off Break-away Fitting that is incorporated in the hose
swivel requires quite a bit of force to pop open if it's in good
condition. It isn't going to open just from being draped across the
back of a car by hand - you'd have to be deliberately trying to pop it
open, pulling hard and fast with both hands at the limit of the hose
retractor rope.

But there are a few stations who have turned the break-away into a
new profit center - "I'm sorry Ma'am, but I have to charge you $250
for popping the break-away. Now we have to call an equipment
serviceman out and have him replace the hose and nozzle..." And if
the victim doesn't pay, the station can call the cops.

After the victim leaves with their wallet lightened, the owner
checks the seals for damage, they're fine. Put a bit of oil on the
mating surfaces, two big pairs of pliers and pop it back together, and
a 25-cent shear pin out of the box of 100 in the back room. Done.

--<< Bruce >>--

 

The only place I've ever seen a "one way" sign is at one of these:

http://www.bjs.com/inclub/gas_propane/index.shtml

The worst they can do is revoke your club membership. And they have
signs up that say they have "extra long hoses to reach both sides of
your vehicle."

 

I am suprised to find out that there is something a Yankey can't do ! (pump
their own gas)

 

I only know what I see. The absolute cheapest gas in Uxbridge MA is at
Hellens Fuels, two to three cents cheaper than the self serve and they have
from one to three people manning the pumps. You can make your own choice,
but it seems silly to pay 3¢ a gallon more to freeze my ass off pumping my
own.

My point is, self serve is touted to save money for the customer. MA
stations are proof that it is possible to sell for the same price and offer
pumping service. Self serve is a scam.