Gas Tank Fill Location All Wrong

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That's odd, my Tradesman actually has the exhaust almost directly
below the filler neck. Worse yet, backpressure when filling the tank
is pretty damn low making it exceptionally difficult to tell when it's
actually full.

 

Oregon is full. Maybe if a million or so Californians go home we
might have some room.

 

You know pulling the hose out across the vehicle is dangerous and
prohibited by law, right?

 

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I'd be curious if you can substantiate that. In Oregon, there's
actually three bans against self service.

1. Oregon State Fire Marshall prohibits the practice as stupid people
and flammable material usually lead to fire.
2. Oregon Department of Environmental Quality prohibits the practice
as spilled gasoline presents a serious threat to groundwater and air
quality.
3. Attempting to override the Fire Marshall and DEQ forced a series of
referrendums which the people rejected by unbelievable margins five
times over and ultimately caused the ban to be codified in the ORS.
Conventional wisdom suggests that self service stations usually have
higher prices due to insurance costs that come with making the
customer do the gas station's job for them, as evidenced by Portland,
Oregon (which has predominantly minimum-service stations with a few
full-service stations) having cheaper gas prices than Vancouver,
Washington (which is almost exclusively self-service with only a
couple full-service stations and no minimum-service stations) by
around 10 cents a gallon fairly consistantly over time.

 

$7/hr is below minimum wage in the civilized world...

 

Since when? I've owned a...
1928 Ford Model A
1977 Dodge Tradesman 200
1981 Buick Skylark
1995 Kia Sportage
2006 Hyundai Santa Fe

....and none of them have had any indication which side the filler is
on, unless you count the Korean manufacturers (Kia, Hyundai) tendency
to put the fuel door handle on the same side of the driver's seat as
the fuel door (the Kia had the door and the fuel handle on the right,
the Hyundai on the left).

 

My '07 Sonata has an arrow right by the fuel level indicator.

 

Really? Can you please show us the laws that make it illegal?

 

so does my Ford Contour and most of the cars I have rented over the last
several years, including ones made in the US and imported.

 

Where do you live? Around here stations aren't one way.

 

About a month ago I pulled into a station that evidently was. It was 9:50
at night, not a car in sight and the attendant came out and told me I had to
turn around. So, I turned around and drove out to the station across the
street. He closed up as I pumped my gas at the other station.

 

I hope you're joking.

I had to shake my head back in the late 80's, I was in Los Angeles on
business, and when re-fueling the rental car, I noticed they had signs
on the gas pump (by law I'm sure) that it was illegal to pump any more
fuel once the hose cut itself off the first time. Land of fruit and nuts.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

My 1989 Probe, 2000 Eclipse, and 2002 Escape all have indicators on the
gauge pointing to the fill side.

SC Tom

 

Actually, this prevents hydrocarbons from getting into the air.

Doing simple things can help the environment and my lungs.

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http://www.awm.delaware.gov/awm/newsStory.asp?offset=100&PRID=1324

IMHO, the California law is a good one.

Jeff

 

|
| > I can and do fill my Safari van by draping the hose over the top of
the
| > van at the local Sams store. The same for my Toyota Tacoma. They
only
| > allow one way traffic through the pumps to avoid head bumping and
fist
| > fights ;-} Thanks to people such as you I hardly ever have to wait
for a
| > free pump.
|
| You know pulling the hose out across the vehicle is dangerous and
| prohibited by law, right?
|

Not where I live it isn't. Given enough time it probaly will be though.

 

Why do you say that? Is there anything dangerous or harmful to the
environment about bring the hose over the vehicle? What about a
motorcycle? You can't fill one without bring the hose over the vehicle.

Jeff

 

Bullshit. Stupid people of that caliber and flammable materials is
usually a self-correcting problem, sometimes referred to as the Darwin
Awards. "Here, hold my beer and Watch This!"

If this were the case, you would see gas stations across America
exploding daily, where in reality a "Well Done" station is rare.

I'm in Los Angeles with a very concentrated population, and the last
gas station that went up big-time was from Station Owner gross
stupidity and disabled safety shut-offs at the Propane filling station
around back. And that was twenty years ago.

The station employee didn't check for lit pilot lights on the
Motorhome before fueling the propane tank, and when the fire started
he couldn't shut off the fuel flow because the fusible link on the
tank safety valve had broken and was held open with baling wire -
which also disabled the hand shutoff. Word for the day: "RUN!!"

When the dispenser hose burned through they had a 1" stream of
pressurized burning liquid propane shooting under the burning
Motorhome aimed at the station building, which promptly went up. A
fun time for all.

Bullshit. The auto shutoff nozzle can malfunction for a station
employee just as easily as a self-serve customer. And the station
owner can deny and delay and leave that malfunctioning nozzle in
service just as easily with a full-serve employee running the pump -
he has to pay a service company a few hundred bucks to come out and
change it.

The only thing an employee can do differently is refuse to top off
the tank. And if the purchaser is stupid enough to pour $3 a gallon
gas on the ground on purpose...

With an effective scare campaign, the oil companies can easily get
the average Sheeple voter to go along with that kind of ban. Follow
the money and see who paid for all the campaign materials and ad
placement, and I'll bet the trail was disguised and leads back to
someone who directly benefits from the policy continuing.

Bullshit. They have to pay Workmen's Comp for any employees, and if
the job was really that hazardous those rates would be astronomical -
and they are not, it's most likely the same rate as any retail clerk.
Would be a wash compared to general liability.

The difference can easily be explained. What are the fuel taxes and
sales taxes in the two states? Washington could have lower fuel
costs, but if they tack on more taxes and fees along the way to the
pump...

You keep putting up straw men, I'll keep knocking them down. A self
serve station has one employee manning the till, and running the
Convenience Store or fixing cars in the bays in between customers.
Full Serve has to have two, three, four employees at peak times
primarily dedicated to working the pumps. Somebody's paying for the
added labor somewhere, work doesn't happen for free.

--<< Bruce >>--

 

| Anyolmouse wrote:
| >
| > | On Nov 14, 6:29 pm, "Anyolmouse" <>
wrote:
| > |
| > | > I can and do fill my Safari van by draping the hose over the top
of
| > the
| > | > van at the local Sams store. The same for my Toyota Tacoma. They
| > only
| > | > allow one way traffic through the pumps to avoid head bumping
and
| > fist
| > | > fights ;-} Thanks to people such as you I hardly ever have to
wait
| > for a
| > | > free pump.
| > |
| > | You know pulling the hose out across the vehicle is dangerous and
| > | prohibited by law, right?
| > |
| >
| > Not where I live it isn't. Given enough time it probaly will be
though.
|
| Why do you say that? Is there anything dangerous or harmful to the
| environment about bring the hose over the vehicle? What about a
| motorcycle? You can't fill one without bring the hose over the
vehicle.
|
| Jeff


Who are you responding to Jeff? It appears you meant to respond to
somebody else in the thread but it was posted under my last comment
about it not being illegal to drape the hose over your vehicle here in
Texas.

 

yeah, but say it probably will be.

You made a comment, and I asked why say that as well as some specific
questions about your comment.


Jeff

 

While your argument seems very logical. in Massachusetts, it proves logic
does not work. In MA, each town decides if they can have self serve gas.
Where I work, there are a number of stations in a four town area that
represents both situations. Fact is, the full service sells for the same
price as the self service. For comparison sake, you can compare brand name
for brand name and private label versus private label. On the town line
the stations are across the street from each other. I have no particular
desire to pump my own when, for the same price, I can have someone do it for
me while I sit in the heated comfort for my automobile.

You are correct that it does not happen for free, but in the 20+ years the
stations existed so far, they must be making a buck or they'd not last.