Gas $1.55 gallon in China, so why do we pay more?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Apr 30, 2005.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    The Chinese government has raised retail gas prices three times, by a
    http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/04/21/bloomberg/s
    xcar.php

    If gas is so cheap in a Communist country where the government is supposed
    to care less about its citizens, why is gas so high in the U.S. where the
    government loves us?

    I don't get it.

    Would you consider a Chinese car when they are offered here? Do you think
    my neighbors would laugh at me if I brought home a Long-Dong or a
    Ying-Yang? A Cherry? Once you get used to the names, I think its okay.
    Just laugh all the way to the bank. They're going to sell for about
    $7,500.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Apr 30, 2005
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    Bill Putney Guest

    And they'll have those redundant fuel pumps you were talking about?

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    adddress with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Apr 30, 2005
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  3. *Perhaps* (only a guess) the PRC government relies more on direct
    taxation (taxes on income; i.e., the more money you get, the more tax
    you pay) than on indirect taxes (taxes on goods; i.e., rich and poor pay
    the same amount of tax -- except that the rich may buy more stuff and
    therefore pay more tax).

    But does that 3.40 Yuan /liter include taxes anyway? We are used to pump
    prices where the taxes are included, but maybe not in PRC.
    When we lived in Taiwan (OK, different country, but similar in many
    ways), we had a car designed and built locally by the company that built
    Nissans under license -- and using many Nissan parts. After 6 years it
    was an almost-worthless rustbucket. And, speaking of names, this car's
    Chinese name was "Fei-Ling 101" (="Gazelle 101"), but the English
    nameplate called it a "Feeling 101," a name allegedly chosen from
    competition entries. My Chinese teacher thought it was "such a nice
    warm, friendly name," but one of our American friends said it sounded
    like an introductory psychology course.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Apr 30, 2005
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    MoPar Man Guest

    Did you expect that Nuclear-armed, 1 billion strong communist China to
    just sit back and let the US beligerently invade a middle-eastern
    country with potentially the largest untapped oil reserves in the
    world?

    China was given something to sit back and relax when the US invaded
    Iraq. Continued raping (er, I mean access) to the US economy with
    cheap goods and outsourcing is part of it (most-favored-nation-status
    when it comes to trade). Access to cheap Saudi oil was maybe another
    (wanna bet that the Saudi's are shipping China some cut-rate oil while
    the rest of the world - US mostly - is covering the difference?)

    Surely you didn't expect China to keep to the side-lines when the US
    went on that romp in Iraq (all ready to turn on the oil taps and sent
    oil to the markets and have all the petro dollars flowing back to the
    US al-la Halliburton). Maybe Russia can be pushed around like a wimp
    (Russia signed a $40 billion deal with Iraq just weeks before the
    invasion, and now they're going to supply nuclear know-how to Iran.
    Can't say I blame them when the US is always fucking up their foreign
    trade opportunities). China can't be pushed around like that - they
    own quite a bit of US debt and could drive the US into recession with
    the push of a few buttons (on a keyboard - not a missle control
    panel).
     
    MoPar Man, Apr 30, 2005
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    WVK Guest

    How about a 'who flung dung"?

    A Cherry? Once you get used to the names, I think its okay.
     
    WVK, Apr 30, 2005
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    HarryS Guest

    You said it a Communist Country where the average yearly wage is $1000.00
    and all the refineries are owned by the government, there is no free open
    market, you have no rights, you disappear when they do not approve of your
    views, they determine how many and what sex of children you can have, you
    are always working for the man.

    If it is so bad here move!! I will pay $10.00 gallon for gas as long as I
    can do as I please, when I please and hoe I please. It is the green weenies
    fault because of the environmental constraints on refineries in their
    country and we have not built a refinery in 30 years while the demand has
    tripled.

    --
    HarryS My 2¢
    | Nomen Nescio wrote:
    | >>The Chinese government has raised retail gas prices three times, by a
    | >>total of 23 percent, since March 2004. Gas costs 3.40 yuan a liter, or
    | >>$1.55 a gallon, at stations run by Beijing-based PetroChina, the largest
    | >>oil company in Asia.
    | >
    | >
    http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/04/21/bloomberg/s
    | > xcar.php
    | >
    | > If gas is so cheap in a Communist country where the government is
    supposed
    | > to care less about its citizens, why is gas so high in the U.S. where
    the
    | > government loves us?
    | >
    | > I don't get it.
    | >
    | > Would you consider a Chinese car when they are offered here? Do you
    think
    | > my neighbors would laugh at me if I brought home a Long-Dong or a
    | > Ying-Yang?
    | How about a 'who flung dung"?
    |
    | A Cherry? Once you get used to the names, I think its okay.
    | > Just laugh all the way to the bank. They're going to sell for about
    | > $7,500.
    | >
     
    HarryS, Apr 30, 2005
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    Sarge Guest

    raised retail gas prices three times, by a total of 23 percent, since March
    2004. Gas costs 3.40 yuan a liter, or $1.55 a gallon, at stations run by
    Beijing-based PetroChina, the largest oil company in Asia.
    http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/04/21/bloomberg/sxcar.php
    If gas is so cheap in a Communist country where the government is supposed
    to care less about its citizens, why is gas so high in the U.S. where the
    government loves us?
    I don't get it.
    Would you consider a Chinese car when they are offered here? Do you think
    my neighbors would laugh at me if I brought home a Long-Dong or a Ying-Yang?
    How about a 'who flung dung"?
    A Cherry? Once you get used to the names, I think its okay. Just laugh all
    the way to the bank. They're going to sell for about $7,500."

    Try this link:
    http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/oil_gas/primer/primer.htm

    Sarge
     
    Sarge, Apr 30, 2005
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Yeah - Aren't we just awful for having messed up Russia and France's
    "food for oil" deals that they tried so hard to protect with the UN
    resolution non-enforcement.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    adddress with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Apr 30, 2005
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    Hans Mücke Guest

    Gas high in the US? Now I don`t get it. Come to Germany and enjoy prices
    around $5.00 per gallon ...
     
    Hans Mücke, Apr 30, 2005
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    Ken Pisichko Guest

    You can do as you please, when you please, and how you please? That sounds like
    ANARCHY to me, not like the USA that I have lived in, paid taxes in, and visit
    often..

    Yes, there is a price for everything. By the way, I guess any ciger-loving
    smoker still cannot buy Cuban cigars in the "Land of the Free, and the Home of
    the Brave". So much for wanting to buy items whenever a smoker would want to.
    But then, smokers do have the freedom to come north to Canada, and purchase and
    smoke them here - provided the smoker can find a public establishment that
    allows smoking ;-) So much for the anarchy situation you purport to support (aka
    the USA). See!! -- the USA does have constraints too. It is just too bad you are
    not willing to recognize them, but the rest of this planet does certainly see
    constraints on the citizenry of the USA.

    Yes, freedom does have it's price. It just depends on what freedom, and what
    price... We Canadians have our constraints as well - not better, nor worse -
    just different.

    Ken
    Winnipeg, Canada
     
    Ken Pisichko, Apr 30, 2005
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    mic canic Guest

    i can walk around with a gun strapped on my side can u in canada??
     
    mic canic, May 1, 2005
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    Ken Pisichko Guest

     
    Ken Pisichko, May 1, 2005
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    L Sternn Guest


    So which oil company wanted to build a refinery here, but couldn't?

    Remember, oil was so cheap during the '80s that many producing wells
    were shut down.
     
    L Sternn, May 1, 2005
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    HarryS Guest

    Yep, any criminal can but we can do it leaglly.
     
    HarryS, May 1, 2005
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    MoPar Man Guest

    I think it's more important to realize that you -->don't need<--- to
    do that in Canada.

    Understand the difference?

    I bet more people are killed accidentally by guns in the US than are
    either killed or wounded by the intentional use of guns for personal
    protection in legitimate situations.

    And - maybe you can explain the fact that in the US you can't sue gun
    companies for gun defects that cause injury or death. Where's your
    precious freedom there?
     
    MoPar Man, May 1, 2005
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  16. Can't explain it, because it's not a fact; gun makers in the USA do get sued for
    defects that cause injury or death, and often lose in court. Stop listening to
    the CBC so much and try to get out a little more.
     
    Sharon K.Cooke, May 1, 2005
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    Ken Pisichko Guest

    In the entire USA?? How can that be?? And legally you say - and in the
    ENTIRE USA???

    YOU are certainly mistaken!! YOU better check your CCW laws as applied to
    ALL 50 states in your union - how come an alien (like myself) can detect
    another Yankee lie while the Yankee continues to lie - and lies with
    conviction I might add. Conviction,... convicts. Yes our convicts
    certainly carry "guns" as you put. By the way, we can carry "guns" as you
    put it - but for us carrying a shotgun and a rifle during hunting season
    is sure a heck of a lot better than carrying a gun around "for show" I
    assume. For show, we men don't expose our penis' either, but then I wonder
    if you can - and if YOU do.It must be quite a site to see. An expression
    of the freedoms enjoyed by US citizenry :) Some sorts of freedom is
    counter productive here - especially when it is -20C and there is a strong
    wind blowing.

    I knew there were trolls in the USA. YOU have certainly confirmed that
    notion.

    Ken
    Canada
     
    Ken Pisichko, May 1, 2005
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    mic canic Guest

    but can a upstanding citizen ????

     
    mic canic, May 1, 2005
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    L Sternn Guest

    You certainly could sue a gun company for defects that cause injury or
    death.

    Are you stupid or something?


    BTW, the gun would have to actually be defective for you to have a
    chance at winning.
     
    L Sternn, May 1, 2005
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    Ken Pisichko Guest

    See my most receint reply to HarryS in this sub-thread. Snowing here.
    Penis well hidden. Wind blowing from the NW strong and "freshening" ;-)
     
    Ken Pisichko, May 1, 2005
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