Drip Gas is in the news

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Mar 16, 2006.

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    Nomen Nescio Guest

    From the Net, drip gasoline
    It finds its way into your gasoline, particularly from "off brands."

    The reason for this post is bring to your attention that there is no single
    formula for motor fuel in the United States. This needs to be addressed.
    Gasoline varies by region, climate, season, refiner and seller! You do not
    know WTF goes into your tank. No wonder when you floorboard that '70
    Trans-Am, it pings like you're running on the octane rating of cow piss.
    It's drip gas the culprit.

    The solution is entirely in the hands of the Federal Government. Aviation
    gasoline is made to a Federally approved formula. 80-87, for example, is
    the same in Los Angeles as in Miami, summer or winter, Chevron or Union 76.
    No 80-87 aviation gas can be sold unless it strictly meets the Federal
    specification for it. That's the way your auto gas MUST be refined, to a
    uniform, strict formula. Then you will get uniform performance from any
    pump in the Country. Drip gas will be a footnote in history. And a side
    benefit, you will never, ever have fuel injector clogging again in your
    Nomen Nescio, Mar 16, 2006
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    In todays EPA world in the US, the gasoline that is pumped throughout the
    country is the all the SAME. Once it gets to the terminal the retailer
    adds what ever is required to meet the specs for the gasoline required to be
    sold in that area, based on altitude, environmental regs etc. Different
    brands add what ever particular additional additive(so) it chooses to
    distinguish its brand.

    mike hunt
    Mike Hunter, Mar 16, 2006
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    Hairy Guest

    It's a good thing you posted this here. We will take care of it immediately.
    Thanks again. You may have just saved the world.

    Hairy, Mar 16, 2006
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    Bob Guest

    Bob, Mar 16, 2006
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    Steve W. Guest

    Steve W., Mar 16, 2006
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    C. E. White Guest

    While this might be true within a partuiuclar region, there ae regional
    differences in gasoline. The EPA mandates this. See
    http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Files/US Gasoline Map 100102.pdf (or
    http://tinyurl.com/hdayf )

    Also see:

    (or http://tinyurl.com/h6xan )
    http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/gas_qanda/reform.shtml (or
    http://tinyurl.com/hkjp7 )
    API Site - http://tinyurl.com/hgvdb
    C. E. White, Mar 16, 2006
  7. I wouldn't claim that ALL gas is the same, but I would not be surprised
    if a given "base" gasoline of an appropriate octane rating could be
    turned into Mobil or Shell or Amoco or whatever simply by adding the
    correct amount of a concentrate containing the additives specific to
    that particular brand.

    Example: Nor far from me is a seller of "bulk petroleum products." They
    have pumps with their own name on, from which they dispense fuel to
    trucking companies, to schools for their buses, etc. Immediately
    adjacent, with no fence between, is a BP gas station, and the name on
    the office/convenience store is that of the aforementioned seller of
    "bulk petroleum products."

    Is it unreasonable for me to assume that the BP/Amoco gas that they sell
    is simply the no-name gas with the appropriate additives added.

    Percival P. Cassidy, Mar 16, 2006
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    That is true for what comes out at the pump, but what comes out of the
    pipeline at the terminal is indeed EXACTLY the same since EPA regulations
    when in effect. There is no longer something known a 'plug gas,' that was
    once bought off by independents. Do a search of the Petroleum Industry site
    and see for yourself.

    mike hunt
    Mike Hunter, Mar 16, 2006
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    Richard Guest

    I am an environmental attorney who helped establish the fuel quality program
    for my state and currently represent several fuel distributors and dealer
    groups in my state.

    While it is true that there many be little brand difference in the raw fuel
    at the terminal, it is also true that branded gas gets a special "hamburger
    helper" additive package for two reasons. 1. So that the brand owner can
    trace its product to make sure branded dealers are not taking in non-branded
    product on the side. 2. To meet specific marketing objectives related to
    characteristics of the fuel (octane and valve cleaning characteristics are
    most common).

    But fuel coming from a refinery is very different from area to area in such
    significant areas as volatility, for example, to meet specific EPA mandated
    weather related issues to keep down hydrocarbon pollution).

    The majors that operate refineries swap product so that their dealers
    typically get product delivered from the most economical source.

    Richard, Mar 16, 2006
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    Joe Guest

    Good job!
    Joe, Mar 17, 2006
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    Joe Guest

    You misunderstand - look at who started this thread, then look at about 500
    of his posts. Your attempts to carry on a debate just won't work.
    Joe, Mar 17, 2006
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Mike Hunter, Mar 17, 2006
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Perhaps my post was not clear on the point. I suppose if I said 'what comes
    out of the pipeline at the terminal, in specific areas, is indeed EXACTLY
    the same,' it would have been better. The fact is pipeline companies no
    longer pump specific amounts of brand 'X' the brand 'Y' then brand 'Z' as
    the did before EPA regs went into effect, OK?

    mike hunt
    Mike Hunter, Mar 17, 2006
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