Do Chrysler Minivans last a long time?

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I don't mean this offensive. I admit I am ignorant of this. But long
ago American cars were not very good beyond 100,000 miles. Now,
however, I see them all over the place for sale 100K+ miles $5,000 or
more. Is that just an old stigma about American cars? What kind of
work might I expect to have to put into a minivan with 130k miles on
it?

Thanks.
 
I don't mean this offensive. I admit I am ignorant of this. But long
ago American cars were not very good beyond 100,000 miles.
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Well...that depends on your definition of "long ago". American cars of the
'60s and early '70s were often good for several hundred thousand miles.
They'd never reach it intact if you lived in a salty area, but then
*nobody's* cars, except perhaps for certain Volvos, were particularly
salt-resistant back then. Mid-'70s to mid-'80s US cars were, as a lot and
with a few exceptions, pretty grim.
Now, however, I see them all over the place for sale 100K+ miles $5,000
or more. Is that just an old stigma about American cars? What kind of
work might I expect to have to put into a minivan with 130k miles on it?
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Totally depends on the year, engine, transmission, equipment, and prior
maintenance. Up here (salty Toronto) there are *scads* of first-generation
'84-'90 Chrysler minivans still in daily use in good condition.

DS
 
It's very hard to wear the engine out on anything these days, with
reasonable maintenance. Some of the minivan engines are a little better than
others in basic reliability. The 3.3 is particulary good. The 3.8 is a
derivative, so I guess it's okay too. If you're going to drive a car 300,000
miles, usually the one big ticket item that won't make it is the
transmission. You'll have to have that overhauled some time. As for what it
costs, as somebody at a transmission shop about a particular car. Don't
bother asking here. All the other mainteance items are small stuff that you
usually pay a few bucks here and there as you go. You might get charged
$1000 for the small stuff, but that doesn't mean it's not small stuff. How
you pay depends more on your looks and where you get your car fixed.
 
They can and do providing they are reasonably well taken care of and
especially if you have a 3.3 or 3.8 engine. The transmissions can last a
long while. THe one in my 99 lasted until 150k (miles) and only grenaded
because of the cheap POS Chinese filter I installed in it which
disintegrated and caused the oil pump to grenade. (It still got me and the
family home safely 150miles even though the bottom of the pan looked like a
scrap metal yard FWIW so I have to give it it's due). How long would it have
gone had that filter not been installed is anybody's guess. The 93 T&C I had
before my 2003 went in excesss of 200k and fell vixtim to salt and a rusted
frame. The aforementioned 99 has over 175k on it now and runs like a swiss
watch. Salt is taking a slight toll on this one though too as I will have to
have the strut tower repaired and a rust area on the rear driver side fender
opening fixed. The 92 Grand Voyager we had b4 the 99 T&C was only replaced
because it gave it's life to protect my wife from a 16 yo girl in a Mustang.
Totalled but the wife aled away well...limped away. It was a VERY bad wreck.
Kid in Stang taken to hospital. It had close to 180k VERY reliable miles on
it when it went to Mopar heaven.
Larry
 
I don't mean this offensive. I admit I am ignorant of this. But long
ago American cars were not very good beyond 100,000 miles. Now,
however, I see them all over the place for sale 100K+ miles $5,000 or
more. Is that just an old stigma about American cars? What kind of
work might I expect to have to put into a minivan with 130k miles on
it?

Thanks.
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I've had three. 87, 93, 99 (still have this one).

87 not worth talking about engine/transmission no longer supplied,
however it was a good vehicle that I kept to 130K miles with minimal
non routine-maintenance.


93 also kept to about 130k miles, however went through three
transmissions. Chrysler coverd 2.5 of them. (7/70 Years). In all
other aspects minimal non-routine maintenance.

99 Currently approaching 130K and it has been very good with almost no
non-routine maintenance.

My view. The engines are great, durable and reliable. The
transmissions have a clouded history, however, I'm told improvements
in later models have minimized problems. All other systems seem to be
very reliable and at the highest trim levels they are without a doubt
the most comfortable and well appointed of the mini vans if that
matters to you.
 
I don't mean this offensive. I admit I am ignorant of this. But long
ago American cars were not very good beyond 100,000 miles. Now,
however, I see them all over the place for sale 100K+ miles $5,000 or
more. Is that just an old stigma about American cars? What kind of
work might I expect to have to put into a minivan with 130k miles on
it?
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My experiences....

85 Caravan 148,000 miles
87 Caravan 241,000+ miles (odometer stopped working year before I sold it)
95 Caravan (current) 161,000 miles

Only major repairs ever needed on the 3 was a new timing chain on the 87'
and a new timing belt on the 95.
 
It's very hard to wear the engine out on anything these days, with
reasonable maintenance. Some of the minivan engines are a little better than
others in basic reliability. The 3.3 is particulary good. The 3.8 is a
derivative, so I guess it's okay too.
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The 3.8 is not a "derivative", it is the larger of the two engines (3.3,
3.8) in that family. With the sole exception of the difference in piston
displacement, these two engines are identical.
 
Daniel said:
The 3.8 is not a "derivative", it is the larger of the two engines (3.3,
3.8) in that family. With the sole exception of the difference in piston
displacement, these two engines are identical.
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That's would not be a derivative?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
 
Bill said:
That's would not be a derivative?
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"That..."

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
 
Daniel J. Stern said:
That would not be a derivative.
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You guys are so cute, having your discussions about vocabulary words
when a guy asks a simple question about minivans.
 
They seem to be astonishingly pretty good. Now sometimes you get the
wrong engine and the wrong year, like 1993. And the transmissions with
overdrive seem to be a bit touchy and a mechanic told me, no problem,
he just budgets a new tranny as a maintenance item. But new or rather
rebuilt trannies are 50% more expensive than they used to be, so that's
some money there.

I am 199,000+ miles. If you're talking about recent minivans within the
last couple of years, I don't know about those except some of them have
been reputed to be quite good, from also other manufacturers.

I see a lot of Chrysler Minivans on the road and I think I see a lot
more of them than any other minivans that are old. And quite a few
still look quite nice.
 
Robbie said:
You guys are so cute, having your discussions about vocabulary words
when a guy asks a simple question about minivans.
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OK - we'll give him his money back. :)

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')
 
They seem to be astonishingly pretty good. Now sometimes you get the
wrong engine and the wrong year, like 1993.
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Ah crap.

(Hoping you're not referring to the 3.0/3-speed)
 
SBlackfoot said:
Ah crap.

(Hoping you're not referring to the 3.0/3-speed)
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The 1993 3.0/3 speed is the one I had that stopped going in reverse.
Drove it another 60,000 or so after that, only going forward.
 
Robbie said:
The 1993 3.0/3 speed is the one I had that stopped going in reverse.
Drove it another 60,000 or so after that, only going forward.
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Hi...

Gee, another old guy flashback :)

Had a 59 Galaxie 500 that quit reverse. Back in the days when
dollars were really really tight.

Lot of effort finding stopping places where there was no chance
that you'd have to back up to get out... but you do what you have
to.

Thanks for triggering the memory :)

Ken
 
The 1993 3.0/3 speed is the one I had that stopped going in reverse.
Drove it another 60,000 or so after that, only going forward.
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OK, but that doesn't mean a 1993 with 3.0/3spd is "the wrong engine and
the wrong year". The 3spd transmission is considerably more dependable and
durable than the 4spd overall; that doesn't mean failures never happen
with the 3spd.
 
A mechanic I know recommended against the (used) Chrysler minivan
unless it had recently had a new transmission (or two) because he said
the transmission on these vehicles only last about 60,000 miles.
 
Daniel J. Stern said:
OK, but that doesn't mean a 1993 with 3.0/3spd is "the wrong engine and
the wrong year". The 3spd transmission is considerably more dependable and
durable than the 4spd overall; that doesn't mean failures never happen
with the 3spd.
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I've owned 12 Chrysler minivans and had three catastrophic transmission
failures. Two were overdrive models, and the other was the
aforementioned 3-speed.

By the way, I like the 3.0 engine.
 
Robbie and or Laura,

What specifically do you like about the 3.0L Mitsubishi engine? I ask since
I own a 1991 and although it is in a Mitsu 3000GT, it is basically the same
engine. Mine is the 222 HP DOHC and has 128K original miles. The engine
still runs well, but the overhead valves are noisy as can be and it burns
about a quart of oil per 1500 or so miles. It really needs the heads
removed and a valve job and new valve stem seals, but I am waiting so I can
do a complete rebuild when I have some $$$.

I also do not like the basic maintainability of the 3.0L engine itself. It
basically requires plugs, a new timing belt and water pump every 60K miles.
OEM NGK double platinum plugs are very expensive and you need to remove the
intake manifold to get at them. The timing belt and water pump
accessibility are also a royal PITA. I'd imagine that my 60K mile "tune
up" would easily cost $1K or so at the dealer if I did not do the work
myself.

Don't get me wrong, it has been a decent engine and develops some good power
above 3,000 or so RPM, but I've owned 3.3L and 3.8L Chrysler vans and
although the rear plugs can be obstinate, the engines were much more durable
and required far less regular maintenance. The maintenance and repairs were
also far easier to perform as well, a recent water pump on my 3.8L as a
case in point. They also developed more torque at lower RPMs which is a
good thing when pulling about a heavy minivan.

Bob
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