Differences between the ODBII and DRBIII scan tool

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by tja, Dec 18, 2005.

  1. tja

    tja Guest

    The amber ABS light in my 2002 T&C came one today. From what I have read in
    the service manual, even if the condition that caused the light to come on
    is no longer present the light stays on for 3,500 miles. I was hoping I
    could get an affordable code reader and see what turns up or erase the code
    and see if it returns.

    Can anyone tell me the differences between the ODBII and DRBIII scan tool in
    the types of things that can or can't be reported with each? Based on price,
    it seems obvious the DRB has much greater capabilities.
    tia,
    tja
     
    tja, Dec 18, 2005
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    nirodac Guest

    How much money do you have?

    The cheapest reader I've seen is $49.95 at Harbour Frieght. Doesn't do much
    but display an error code, which you then look up on the accompanying
    manual.
    It will reset the MIL lamp. See
    http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46030
    (Note, it goes on sale once in a while)

    For a couple of hundred dollars, you can have software to run on your
    computer, that will display the codes in graphical format (dials, gauges and
    bar graphs), will store the results for later play back, and will also reset
    the MIL. http://www.autotap.com/. This is one of many companies offering
    this product. Engine control for testing, is generally NOT allowed

    For a few hundred to a few thousand dollars you can get dedicated hand held
    devices that will read the codes and reset the MIL. Some will let you do
    minimal testing of portions of the engine.
    http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?Group_ID=16815

    Want to read up on OBDII and OBDIII,
    http://www.aa1car.com/library/us796obd.htm.

    Bottom line seems to be that the differance is that OBDIII will broadcast
    you engine performance to the nearest scanner using a transponder. OBDII
    requires a hard connection. Otherwise the codes and functions are the same.
     
    nirodac, Dec 18, 2005
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    Coasty Guest

    You will be able to do more trouble shooting with a OBCIII and read much of
    the data stream such as sensor input/output it does more than codes for
    newer vehicles. Each model differs in capability and it is all what you
    actually need. I have and OBC-II code reader, the MFG shop manuals and a
    Fluke hand held true RMS 90 series meter with NIST certificate it costs
    more the OBC scanners. That is all I need the code readers get you to point
    A and then the O&M manuals get you through the rest along with your trouble
    shooting.

    Coasty
     
    Coasty, Dec 18, 2005
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    aarcuda69062 Guest

    OBD2 is an emissions protocol. Just because a device is labeled
    OBD2 capable does not mean that it has the ability to read ABS
    codes.

    You'll need to do some careful shopping to make certain that the
    device in question has ABS capabilities -and- that it has those
    capabilities on -your- specific vehicle.

    Most of the high end scan tools offered by Snap-On and OTC with
    current enough software will fit the bill, there may be some PC
    based products that will work also.
    Read the fine print! i.e., the tool linked in nirodac's post
    makes _no_ mention/claim that it has ABS diagnostic capabilities.
     
    aarcuda69062, Dec 18, 2005
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    nirodac Guest

    ABS capabilities -and- that it has those
    capabilities on -your- specific vehicle.

    True, not all readers will read the vendor specific codes. The first 1000
    codes are industry standard, after that they are OEM "standard".
    All ODB readers will read the first 1000, because all the error codes are
    the same for all vendors. Not all readers will work on all manufacturers
    vehicles (Ford, GM, Chrysler all use a different interface). You may need a
    different interface if your going to work on different makes of vehicles.
    Read the fine print! i.e., the tool linked in nirodac's post
    makes _no_ mention/claim that it has ABS diagnostic capabilities.

    By all means, read the small print. When you think you found a scanner that
    will meet your needs, post your results here for feed back, before you by
    it.

    Also consider what you'll be doing with the code reader. Will you only be
    resetting the MIL after reading the code, or will you actually be trying to
    fix your vehicle. Probably the best scanner for your car, is the one the
    manufacturer sells to their dealers (big bucks).

    Personnally I want two readers. One simple one to through in the glove box
    for those long road trips (just so I have some idea what that old mechanic
    in Armpit AL is trying to charge me for fixing, and one to use at home for
    fixing my car).

    You may want to get together with your buddies and buy one really good
    scanner that'll work for everybody, it'll save you some money on a tool that
    likely won't get used much.
     
    nirodac, Dec 18, 2005
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    Mr.X Guest

    Isn't the Chrysler PCM like the only one that will display codes with
    out a reader, by using the key on - off method. ?? so for a road
    trip a print out of codes is all that is required


    Now I'm still trying to get up to speed on what the current 2005
    Sebring PCM will display as far as what are called body codes. I
    understand that in 2002 the transmission computer was incorporated
    into the PCM so those codes will be displayed. I've had SKIS related
    codes displayed by using the key on off.

    What's left are ABS codes that might need a higher end scan tool????


    now when a couple hundred $$$ tool comes out that will flash the PCM
    , write VINs and milage to a new PCM, that I would be interested in !
     
    Mr.X, Jan 1, 2006
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