Diesel Dart/Duster/Valiant/Cordoba Conversions

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ted Azito, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. Ted Azito

    Ted Azito Guest

    Tony Capana in California put Nissan Diesels (they were sold by
    Chrysler back then) in the above cars fairly extensively. Are any
    still out there? Anyone seen one?
    Ted Azito, Jun 30, 2004
  2. Extensively? Well...no. Not very extensively at all.

    There was a review of one of these in a Popular Science of the day. It was
    generally regarded as a poor conversion.

    Barreiros, the Spanish builder-marketer of Chrysler products until the
    '70s, put 2-litre diesel engines in Dodge Darts from '65 through '69 or
    so. Zero to 100 km/h in...oh, I donno, 45 minutes?
    Daniel J. Stern, Jun 30, 2004
  3. Ted Azito

    Ted Azito Guest

    The SD33 (a/k/a CN6-33)was the engine used by Capana in the Mopars.
    The tech writers I read liked it a lot. Who thought it was poor and

    It's interesting that though GM had EMD and Detroit Diesel and Ford
    built many ag diesels and several truck diesels in England, Chrysler
    Corporation never built a diesel of its own until it merged with DB.
    They used Nissans in marine and other nonautomotive apps, Mits in a
    few vans, and Cumminses in the ram pickups, but never built a diesel
    of their own. Wonder why?
    Ted Azito, Jul 1, 2004
  4. Ted Azito

    Guest Guest

    Possibly because they bought the technology. They bought large shares
    in Mitsu to get "inhouse" access to some of their technology, and also
    own a substantial share of Cummins, IIRC.
    Freightliner is effectively the heavy truck division of Chrysler, like
    Sinclair is of Ford.

    As for GM, up untill the current crop, in automotive and light truck
    apps you could say they never built a deisel of their own too. Isuzu
    deisels in the Chevette, and that excuse for a deisel they made from
    an Olds 350 their engineers even want to forget. Their FC trucks were
    also Isuzu. No more GM than Mitsu was Chrysler

    Untill Ford redesigned the International S Series and made the
    Powerstroke, they also used Nissan and Mazda deisel engines for their
    light duty stuff in North America.
    Guest, Jul 1, 2004
  5. Ted Azito

    Joe Guest

    They bought the engines because they're good and cheap. If any of the "big
    3" had designed car diesels for the U.S. market, they'd never sell enough of
    them to get any good at it. The oldsmobile is a great illustration. Other
    people are already good at it, and they make a lot, so the economy of scale
    is there. It's an effective way to get a quality product. Instant

    I agree with Ted that there are some strange outcomes. GM is the only one of
    the three that has large diesel engine manufacturing companies inhouse (two
    of them, as he pointed out). In spite of this, GM's diesels sold in the U.S.
    have always been the worst. They might be pretty good now, don't know, but
    they've got 25 years of lousyness to live down. Nobody I know uses one. Once
    in a while I'll see one on the interstate, and I always think "there goes a
    diehard chevy man".
    Joe, Jul 6, 2004
  6. Ted Azito

    Steve Guest

    "Had," not "has." GM sold Detroit Diesel to Penske years and years ago,
    and EMD is up for sale right now (and has been for a long time). And the
    2-stroke diesel technology that Detroit Diesel had back when GM owned
    them is not at all suitible for an automotive-sized engine. EMD finally
    developed a big 4-stroke diesel (the H-series engine of roughly 6000
    horsepower) but it hasn't broken any records for reliability yet. Not as
    bad as the Oldsmobile diesel, but not good either...
    Steve, Jul 6, 2004
  7. Ted Azito

    Ted Azito Guest

    The irony is that the 5.7 Olds finally became a halfway decent diesel
    engine at the end of its production life. And even the early ones
    usually ran when the car went to the junkyards. It was never the
    diesel the Nissans, Benzes, Mits were, but it enabled 4000 lb cars to
    get 27 mpg, and you could use the diesel block, crank, rods, et al to
    build a great hot rod gas engine.

    The 6.2 and 6.5 aren't terrible engines either-most problems occur
    because of poor accessory choices or the fast-start glow plug
    system-or people overtaxing them. They are not a 3208 Cat, but they
    don't weigh 1200 lbs or cost $4000 for a replacement injection pump

    Dodge made the right choice in using the Cummins, but the four
    cylinder version of the B in a Dakota sized truck would make a lot
    more sense for me than the 3/4 ton.

    My fondest hope is that someone will make a kit to put the common OM
    617 diesel in a TJ or YJ Jeep. A new oil paan, mounts, and bellhousing
    are needed.
    Ted Azito, Jul 6, 2004
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