Can Chrysler hit jackpot again?

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  1. Jim Higgins

    Jim Higgins Guest

    Can Chrysler hit jackpot again?
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    W hen times get tough, Chrysler has always had a knack for producing a hit
    vehicle that washes away the red ink and safeguards the company, at least
    temporarily.

    The audacious Chrysler 300 sedan was the last timely stroke of brilliance in
    Auburn Hills. It could whisk you to the Fisher Theatre while beating every
    chump off the line along Woodward. Over the years, the quirky PT Cruiser,
    classic Jeep Grand Cherokee and innovative new minivans saved Chrysler's
    bacon.

    The question is: Does Chrysler have enough mojo left to pull off another
    product-led comeback? Stabilizing health care costs or cutting jobs alone
    won't save the automaker. As parent DaimlerChrysler AG shops it to potential
    buyers, Chrysler may never have needed to prove its worth more.

    Last year, Chrysler introduced a record 10 vehicles. Other than the
    four-door Wrangler Unlimited, which serves a relatively small niche, there
    were no unqualified hits. Eight more new models are coming this year.

    "We just have to be competitive," said Steve Bartoli, Chrysler's vice
    president for global product planning, adding that the coming crop of new
    vehicles will pay dividends quickly.

    "It's been a mixed mesh of new vehicles," Bartoli said, listing recent
    launches. "There haven't been any disasters."

    No disasters is nice but it isn't enough. Chrysler needs to create an
    emotional connection with buyers. The automaker still designs and produces
    polarizing vehicles. In fact, many of its newest models, such as the boxy,
    aggressive Dodge Nitro, offer a distinctive look and unique features for
    their respective segment. But none has been an out-of-the-park home run."You
    don't get 300s every year," said Jim Sanfilippo, an automotive marketing
    expert with Team Detroit, which handles advertising for several brands.
    "They're going to do OK. Chrysler has a lot of solid doubles and all of them
    four-cylinder engines, which is going to be important when gas prices start
    to climb again."

    Will new minivans prevail?

    Chrysler's most important vehicle launch in 2007 is in the segment it
    invented in 1983, the minivan. Since then, Chrysler has since sold 11
    million family haulers.

    "If Chrysler has a home run, it's their new minivan," said Erich Merkle,
    director of forecasting at IRN, an automotive consulting company in Grand
    Rapids.

    The fifth-generation 2008 Chrysler Town and Country minivan and top-selling
    Dodge Caravan, which roll into dealerships this fall, should boost the
    company's lagging sales, Merkle said.

    While Chrysler still owns 28 percent of the segment, Town and Country's
    sales dropped 12 percent last year and Caravan sales fell 6.9 percent,
    according to Autodata.

    "The competition doesn't have the ability to build more minivans," Merkle
    said. "And Chrysler is introducing an excellent product."

    Indeed. The new pair of minivans will tout more than 35 improvements
    including a six-speed transmission, more head room, dual DVD players and
    crisp, clean, roof-mounted ambient lighting. Both debuted at the Detroit
    auto show and both look refined and well-crafted.

    The Swivel 'n Go seats, a pair of second-row captain's chairs that turn to
    face the rear row, may not create as much buzz as the cool Stow 'n Go seats
    caused in 2005, but Chrysler will offer a superior vehicle with exclusive
    innovations. It's a recipe to bring in new customers.

    With Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. abandoning minivans, Chrysler
    has a chance to grab even more customers as it fights with Honda Motor Co.
    and Toyota Motor Corp., who hold the No. 2 and No. 3 spots respectively.

    Is luck on sedans' side?

    Chrysler Group may not be as lucky in the midsize sedan segment with its two
    new introductions: The all-new Dodge Avenger, which replaces the Stratus
    sedan, and the redesigned Chrysler Sebring.

    Both vehicles offer distinctive designs, and the economical advantage of
    being built on the same platform in Sterling Heights. The Avenger is
    aggressive and mean-looking. The Sebring has a face made for the rental car
    fleet.

    Sales for the Sebring sedan, which hit showrooms in December, remain
    sluggish, something Bartoli attributes to an end-of-year launch.

    If the Sebring sedan's short deck and snubbed nose make it an ugly duckling,
    the convertible version of the sedan, which comes out later this year, is
    the swan. Somehow, dropping the top and removing two doors makes those hood
    strakes look good. America's best selling convertible should remain at the
    top.

    The Avenger is rolling into dealerships now and offers a muscular
    alternative to a segment filled with hot-selling bland vehicles. It
    resembles a small Charger and its strong styling, unique features and good
    gas mileage should attract new customers. Dodge, a brand that appeals to men
    more than women, now has a car on its hands that could pull more drivers
    looking for something sporty but still need the utility of a sedan.

    Another moderate success for Chrysler has been the Dodge Caliber. An
    inexpensive compact, the Caliber continues Chrysler's tradition of offering
    a distinct alternative to the traditional competitors.

    While the interior feels spartan, it comes with clever features, like a
    cooler in the glove box and detachable cabin light. Chrysler sold more than
    90,000 units since its introduction last year. By comparison, Toyota sold
    387,000 Corollas, Honda sold 316,000 Civics and Chevrolet sold 211,000
    Cobalts. A 300-horsepower high performance SRT version of the Caliber will
    come out later this year.

    Are 8 vehicles too much?

    Introducing so many new vehicles is a heavy burden for any automaker and
    confusing for consumers.

    "It's tough to introduce a new nameplate," said Jack Nerad, executive market
    analysis for Kelly Blue Book, adding the plethora of new vehicles introduced
    by all manufacturers leaves many consumers overwhelmed.

    Merkle said that many of the introductions may not generate incremental
    sales, instead stealing Chrysler customers from other vehicles.

    "When Jeep introduced the Commander (in 2005), it didn't create new
    business, it stole Cherokee customers," Merkle said. "There is a danger of
    that happening again."

    Bartoli disagrees. Bringing out new vehicles refreshes a lineup that was
    beginning to get long in the fan belt.

    "I think all of these introductions are keeping our momentum going," Bartoli
    said. "Our lineup was starting to get old, and that's never a good thing."

    Another factor that may help Chrysler in the long run, Nerad said, is the
    consumer trend that brand loyalty has gone the way of the three-speed
    transmission.

    "They are more fickle now than ever before," Nerad said. "Even if they are
    totally satisfied with a vehicle they bought, that doesn't mean they'll
    return to that brand. What will take them somewhere else is the design."

    And design is one area Chrysler has proven again and again that it can
    excel.
     
    Jim Higgins, Mar 21, 2007
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  2. Jim Higgins

    Some O Guest

    The Caliber has a good drive train but it's too ugly looking for most.
    I notice the PT Cruiser is still being sold? If I were a PT Cruiser
    owner the Caliper wouldn't turn me on.
    I agree, pray for rising gasoline prices. With growth in Asia gasoline
    has no where to go but up.
    Partly, but it doesn't impress me. Not a car I'd replace my wife's 2001
    Sebring with. The channels on the hood are enough to turn me off.
    It could be a big seller if there was a better 2.7L V6 and auto
    transmission. A 3.5L V6 in this car is silly.
    IMO Chrysler needs to upgrade the 2.7L V6 to VVT and a better
    transmission of 5/6 speeds or a CVT.
     
    Some O, Mar 21, 2007
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  3. Have any of you rode in a vehicle with the new 4 bangers? My PT's old 2.4L 4
    is smoother and quieter than the 2.0 and 2.4 world engines. I've driven a
    Caliber, Compass and Sebring with the new "world" 2.0 and 2.4 engines. They
    were loud and very unrefined. The CVT made them worse. The Sebring was
    laugable- I swear I was in a John Deer. I have a 2006 PT with the old 2.4
    4cy and it is smooth and quiet compared to the Sebring's 2.4 world engine.
    Even the salesman admitted it was extremely loud. How can Chrysler come up
    with this kind of crap and expect to compete? Don't they even pay attention
    to the Civics and Corrolas? It is going to be the downfall of Chrysler-
    people want smaller cars with better gas mileage. They're small and midsize
    cars are no where near what they should be to even have a chance.
     
    Scott Koprowski, Mar 22, 2007
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  4. Jim Higgins

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Oddly, I took one look at the PT and concluded there was no way I'd
    ever own one. If I were in the market for a new car, I'd be looking
    very seriously at the Caliber.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Mar 22, 2007
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  5. Jim Higgins

    Dave Gower Guest

    Yes I've been testing all these cars over the past 6 months, and I have a
    very different impression. The Caliber and Compass I drove were, I thought,
    not whisper quiet but certainly acceptable. The PT I drove sounded different
    but not quieter, and I found the ride much tippier.

    As to the CVT I don't see how it could have possibly "made them worse". It
    allows the engines to run considerably slower at highway speed (2100 rpm vs.
    maybe 2600) and reduces cycling between gears. Maybe you got that impression
    because upon hard prolonged acceleration it raises the revs and holds them
    there rather than revs up and down. Personally I feel the CVT is the most
    valuable selling point for those cars.
     
    Dave Gower, Mar 22, 2007
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  6. Jim Higgins

    Some O Guest

    Is it the engine or mounts or soundproofing causing this problem?

    I'll be renting one of them for a few days to compare to my LH car, but
    I won't be comparing to the PT Cruiser as I'm not interested in it.

    Had an '86 LeBaron 2.5L, it was acceptably quiet and smooth, but not as
    good as the LH's 3.3L V6.
     
    Some O, Mar 22, 2007
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  7. Jim Higgins

    Joe Guest

    Maybe Chrysler should consider launching a low-priced brand. They could
    just add a new brand at the Chrysler dealers. That would leave Dodge to
    concentrate on performance, and then Chrysler wouldn't be diluted as the
    luxury brand. Hmmmm....
     
    Joe, Mar 23, 2007
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  8. Jim Higgins

    Joe Guest

    Well, on the CVT, it's an "everybody is doing it" thing. It gets results on
    paper. I think the CVT is going to bow out as the most hated auto
    technology ever.
     
    Joe, Mar 23, 2007
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  9. Jim Higgins

    Dave Gower Guest

    They have one, it's called Plymouth. Time to bring it back.
     
    Dave Gower, Mar 23, 2007
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  10. Jim Higgins

    Dave Gower Guest

    Huh? Some people think it's sluggish (which is an illusion) but "most
    hated"? For what? Being smooth?

    It's different unless one is familiar with snowmobiles, scooters or ATVs. I
    live in an area filled with snowmobilers, and have never heard anyone say
    they hate the CVT. Quite the contrary, I've heard a number of comments over
    the years "why don't they put those in cars?".

    The reason it's becoming popular for cars now is not fashion, it's that only
    recently have technological developments given a transmission that could be
    durable at sufficient torque output.

    I suspect it may take over most of the small-medium vehicle market within a
    decade, both for automatics and with autostick, manuals as well. (The
    exception will probably be heavy-duty and performance applications). The
    reasons are simplicity, speedy and smooth shifting and above all ratio
    range.
     
    Dave Gower, Mar 23, 2007
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  11. Jim Higgins

    Dave Guest

    Like Plymouth?
     
    Dave, Mar 23, 2007
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  12. Jim Higgins

    Joe Guest

    It ruins jokes when you try to explain them, hoss. You should have just
    kept quiet there.
     
    Joe, Mar 23, 2007
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  13. Jim Higgins

    Joe Guest

    I don't know, what do you think?

     
    Joe, Mar 23, 2007
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  14. Jim Higgins

    Some O Guest

    I've not driven one, but it is sounding very good.
    The design has been improved many times over the years and is now used
    in a wide variety of cars. Initially it was only in small low power
    cars.
    The only negative I've heard recently is the lack of adequate shift
    points.
    I does improve mileage, makes a lot of sense having a much simpler
    transmission and if it's reliable I'll be interested for my next car.
     
    Some O, May 17, 2007
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  15. Jim Higgins

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Any particular reason?
    Negative? That's the point! Artificially adding shift points strikes
    me as idiotic. I've read that the dealer can reflash them to behave
    like a CVT; if I were to buy a vehicle so equipped, that reflash would
    happen before I took delivery.
    Exactly.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, May 18, 2007
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  16. Jim Higgins

    Joe Guest

    Exactly. Now you're getting somewhere. Why would anyone couple an advanced
    technology with idiocy? The answer is because PEOPLE HATE IT. That's what
    I said above. You have to remember that everybody feels, but not everybody
    thinks.

    We live in a world where a $70,000 car was engineered with a pipe from the
    intake manifold into the passenger compartment to generate noise. That's
    reality. Stupid, yes, but they did it. They did it because they thought
    their rich customers would like it.
     
    Joe, May 20, 2007
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  17. Jim Higgins

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    So... it's going to go down as the most hated automotive technology
    in history (somehow beating out such gems as seat belt interlocks and
    talking dashboards) because people are too ignorant to understand it
    and too stupid to be educated?
    Well, I like to hear what my engine is doing... sounds like it wasn't
    a terribly cost-effective way to do it (just using less insulation
    would have done it at less cost), but it isn't like they had a little
    speaker making vroom-vroom noises. That would be an analogous
    decision.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, May 20, 2007
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  18. Jim Higgins

    who Guest

    If you pay a bit more you get very wide low profile tires with no side
    wall depth that ride like shit.
    I saw 25 profile tires on a Mercedes sedan the other day, UGH!
    Those with lots of money base their buying more on emotion, particularly
    if they want to make an impression.
     
    who, May 20, 2007
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    Joe Guest

    Right, and if you're real lucky, you might get to run over a bump and bend
    the rim. Then you'll know you've really made the big time.
     
    Joe, May 20, 2007
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