American workers not cosseted, overpaid. They are getting SCREWED.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Bret Ludwig, Jan 30, 2006.

  1. Bret Ludwig

    Bret Ludwig Guest

    It's true the unions are not without faults but if you look at the
    WHOLE picture the American worker has had a camshaft rammed up his rear
    with no assembly lube!

    Manufacturing employees in the United States are underpaid and
    overworked compared to European labor. That's a fact. Manufaturing jobs
    are vanishing and being replaced with poor paying stinky customer
    service and retail ones.

    We should harmonize safety and emissions with the EU and Japan and
    then tax each imported vehicle according to the difference between US
    and the source country's pay, worker safety and manufacturing emisssion
    cost rules. **** the consumer, he will pay more. I'm so tired of
    hearing about the consumer. We are all consumers but we have to be
    producers first and foremost too.
     
    Bret Ludwig, Jan 30, 2006
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  2. Bret Ludwig

    tedm Guest

    Tariffs do 2 good things, they help remove price pressure on domestic
    producers, and they help
    stunt the growth of foreign producers by keeping a lot of our consumers
    from sending money to
    the foreign producers.

    Unfortunately, the problem with them is that they only work if your
    country is the only country
    in the world that does tariffs. In reality, if you tariff, then the
    other countries also tariff, and
    pretty soon every country is running tariffs, and now our manufacturers
    here lose all the
    overseas market. What you end up with is a world where no country
    sells anything to any
    other country, and all countries governments get a huge amount of money
    for doing essentially
    nothing, and the tariffs are now not effective. This is a breeding
    ground for world wars, since no government really has anything to lose
    by attacking it's neighbors.

    Ted
     
    tedm, Feb 2, 2006
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  3. I can think of a few other good things Tariffs and other overt trade
    restrictions do. I bet you can, too, if you think about it.
    History does not support this assertion.
    ....so? Not many American cars are sold outside North America.
    That is an immense leap of logic.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Feb 2, 2006
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  4. Bret Ludwig

    tedm Guest

    Did you ever stop to think about the large number of Japanese cars sold
    both here AND in Japan? While as you say not many American cars are
    sold outside North America? And you call this "so what"? Did you
    perhaps think this might possibly be related to why companies like
    Ford aren't doing so well? Naaahhhh!!!

    Clearly, if American companies are being blocked from overseas markets
    we need to retaliate against those markets by closing our markets to
    those countries. Tariffs are certainly one of the tools used to do
    this. But
    it is very important to hold tariffs in reserve as punative actions,
    not to
    instigate them.

    For countries that don't close their markets to the US, it is stupid
    and
    foolish to tariff their products, or they are going to retaliate
    against us in
    kind. And for countries that are willing to open their markets in
    exchange
    for us opening our markets, once again, it's stupid to tariff against
    them.

    Unfortunately what I see too much of is efforts by the US government to
    give favored trading status to countries like China which have a
    history
    of not only not purchasing our manufacturers products, but outright
    stealing them by making forgeries of them. In short, the US government
    tariffs countries that it shouldn't, and doesen't tariff products from
    countries
    that really are not in any way friendly to us.

    Ted
     
    tedm, Feb 3, 2006
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  5. Bret Ludwig

    Guest Guest

    You're living in the past. You don't know what an import is.

    American vehicles are not being killed by low priced imports, but by
    foreign manufacturers building superior vehicles in NAFDA (that includes
    the USA) using USA workers.
    Not just Japanese either, but the likes of BMW,
    also Mercedes who are owned by the same German company as Chrysler.
     
    Guest, Feb 4, 2006
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  6. Very naive. Companies who believe wind up going under.

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Feb 4, 2006
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  7. And there are plenty of 'American' cars outside the US. It's just that they
    are usually not made in USA. Plus cars like the Mercedes M-Class.

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Feb 4, 2006
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  8. Bret Ludwig

    longlivetheZ Guest

    Uhhh.......
     
    longlivetheZ, Feb 4, 2006
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  9. Superior vehicles according to whom?

    Rags like Consumer Reports and Car and Driver focus on ownership costs
    during the first 5 years or so, to them any vehicle older than 10 years old
    is
    used up and worthless. But there are lots of people who buy cars and run
    them for
    10-15 years, and there's lots of 3rd generation owners buying used vehicles
    out there that are 7-8 year old vehicles. The Ragazines don't pay attention
    to
    those people since they aren'y buying the Rag's advertisers products.

    So, if your in that market which would you buy, a 9 year old Japanese car
    with 125Kmiles on an engine that will bend all the valves when the timing
    belt breaks, or a 9 year old domestic non-interference engine with 125k?
    Remember - you just have enough money for the car, not for dumping $300 into
    a
    timing belt change right after you buy it.

    Now maybe your attitude is **** all the poor 3rd generation owners, we don't
    give a shit about them, but what about the owners who buy new cars and don't
    feel like being indebted to a car payment for the rest of their natural
    lives by
    continual "trading in" every 5 years?

    We all know which is more expensive to buy replacement parts for when they
    get long in the tooth and start needing things.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Feb 5, 2006
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