air bag injuries due to propellant chemicals

anyone else have problems like this?

linda

 

Yes, of course. Sodium Azide and its combustion products are injurious to
human beings. Why do you ask?

 

i have recently found out that air bags cause respiratory problems with
their chemicals. the safety and auto industry knows this, but have
determined the benefits outweigh the risks. i am wanting to find out
how i can help, what i can do as an individual. i have read awful
stories of people who have been injured physically due to impact with
the airbags (brain damage, death, impairments of limbs and burns on
faces, and eyes that have actually had the air bag wrap around them and
cause tremendous injuries). the auto safety and auto industry admit
these types of injuries (risk vs benefit)... But being a "little person"
with limited resources, limited knowledge, i want to make these large
companies admit the respiratory injuries that these chemicals cause and
compensate those who have these types of injuries. i do not like the
statements made that the benefits of the air bags outweigh the risks...
ask a person who has been injured if they think it is worth it... i read
on the internet that the warning labels for chemical exposure is on the
underside of the already deployed air bag. i guess you can get away
with anything these days, if you put a warning label on anything, even
if you can't find it...

i am sorry, i have to get down off my soap box now and send this
message, so that i can await your reply...

thanks, linda

 

Hell, yes! And seat belts crack ribs. And that damned roof cracks your
skull when you roll over three times and the roof caves in. Lets just
have a seat with no doors, shall we. And another thing -- those baby
seats give my kids a sore neck when the ride in them and fall asleep.
I've never been in an accident with my kids in the car! Why should my
kids have to ride in those uncomfortable seats??

Cars are dangerous. Crashing hurts. Crashing at high speed really,
really hurts!!!

Sometimes the cure hurts a few a little bit. But it saves most people
that have to use it.

In the "eyes wrapped in airbag" example, trade "airbag" for "steering
wheel" or "dashboard" and we don't have to worry about your eyes
because it will be closed-casket anyway.

Dan

 

please do not belittle my concern. i understand the problems associated
with getting in to a car.. the guy next to me could have had a bit too
much to drink and crash in to me and my casket will have to be
closed...i am informed about these things you mention, but i am mad as
hell about not being properly informed about the chemical hazards
associated with the deployment of the "life saving" apparatus'.

thanks you for your cute email..
i hope you have a great day...

linda

 

In case you are referrng to leaks while just driving along, there aren't
any.

As regards gas poisoning on air bag deployment, I am not aware of any
reports, nor of any long-term effects. Could be that the survivors are so
grateful to be alive that they don't care about a brief respiratory
annoyance, which they might not notice anyway if they are otherwise injured.

I don't think people may necessarily "belittle" your concern, but it has to
be seen in context.

Do you have contrary information?

Certainly air bags have given rise to new types of injury, or at least
changed the injury profile in car accidents. Two 'common' ones are whiplash
and skin burn (from the bag fabric rubbing against skin).. and so? Give me
these any day...

I think the impression is that you wish to make a mountain out of an anthill
(well, so long as it isn't higher than a couple of mm.

So, once again, do you have any info to support your worry?

DAS

 

This has been known for decades.

....except that they don't. Even using NHTSA's most grossly overstated
"saved" numbers and most grossly understated "cost" and "injured" numbers,
airbags as implemented in North America flunk any cost/benefit or
benefit/drawback analysis.

Not a damned thing. NHTSA does what it wants; most North American auto
safety and equipment regulations are based more on politics than on
science, and what science is used is highly selective. Doesn't matter
whether we're talking about airbags or headlamps or tires or brakes or
fuel tanks or whatever, the pattern is the same clear across the board.
Virtually the entire rest of the world subscribes to an alternate auto
safety regulation set (ECE). The US is NOT first/best/lowest in the world
for deaths per vehicle mile travelled; we are 16th. The US is NOT
first/best/lowest in the world for deaths per vehicle registered; we are
10th. ( www.scienceservingsociety.com ). Nevertheless, US regulators
continue to publicly claim that US cars are the safest in the world, and
privately deride the stupid rest of the world for not acceding to US
regulations.

And I want to make these large companies admit US lighting standards are 3
decades behind the rest of the world. I also want a great big house in the
middle of the forest in BC. And a zillion dollars.

I don't like being lied to either, especially when the lie is so baldfaced
and easily disproven.

DS

 

Christ, here we go again with another true-believer airbag freak who
hasn't looked at the actual numbers, hasn't seen that statistically one is
safer with a 3-point belt and NO airbag than one is with a 3-point belt
AND an airbag, but nevertheless he's absolutely sure that airbatgs are the
"cure".

 

_I_ sure as hell noticed it. It was pretty bad, even given the open
area of my Miata. And the airbag did me no good, contacting only my
right arm (scraping it) while my seat belt kept the rest of my body
from contacting it.

Against nothing at all? Why?

 

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf10/11590_web.pdf


i really have heard of people with major difficulites from the chemical
hazards (Sodium Azide, Nitrogen, phosgene) associated with air bags.
and if those "airbags are the cure" folks would kindly look at the link
i provided above (Federal Register / Vol. 60,November 9, 1995 / Proposed
Rules) you will see that they do not talk about any respiratory
illnessess associated with the dangerous chemicals. Please also check
http://dms.dot.gov/reports/ and do a simple search on air bags, and no
where will you find any mention of respiratory illnesses associated with
the chemical hazards. Please check your MSDS (Material Safety Data
Sheet) for each of these chemicals and see if you think that "the cure
hurts a few a little bit".. Just pray to whatever entity you pray to
that you are never inflicted with this type of injury. I am assuming
that some would prefer a closed casket rather than a respiratory illness
to live with a long time...

please forgive my harshness, but i am new at this and i am in the
process of researching this and would appreciate information that is
useful and not blatantly disregarding my honest approaches at trying to
help ALL.

linda

 

Linda, you don't help your cause any when you bitch at me. I'm on your
side. Pay attention and take the time to attribute your quotes correctly.

 

As usual, Dori, you are commenting without knowing what the hell you're
talking about. You live in a country that has ECE-spec airbags, which have
a much higher vehicle speed deployment threshold and are much smaller and
slower, therefore far less capable of inflicting injury, because they are
designed around the assumption of a BELTED occupant. In North America,
airbags are legally required by Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 208 to be
calibrated so as to "save" an UNBELTED 50th-percentile "male" dummy.

DS

 

decades ago all i cared about was what i looked like, and what party i
was going to ...

i have talked to people who say that even people who work in the
industries won't make comments
because they are in fear. they have signed waivers, etc. i also have
heard that auto companies have made settlements
to keep these out of the public eye.

then what can be done? talking to senators, representatives? find
lawyers who would litigate these matters?
find people who are injured and have them go to a congressional hearing?
i am thinking large now.. these other folks have
me all worked up over their inability to research properly before they
type.

if you find that, make sure you have a separate littler house down the
road for me and my disabled son...
zillions dollars would be great....

what else can i do? where else can i turn? i am not good at making a
web page, but i will learn and give it a try.. do
you think that would help any?

Daniel, thank you for being the voice of reason today.. .i appreciate
your knowledge, and your understanding....

you can email me on my regular email. i think i found your website, can
i email you my email addy? and lets talk some more without
having to be bothered by people who are not wanting to research these
items.. i can help research for you on your headlight issue...

linda

 

daniel, i am new at trying to figure out the newsgroup reply system... i
inadverently, apparently, sent the reply to you.. it was meant for those
other folks who i felt belittled this serious issue.. MANY MANY
APOLOGIES....

please forgive...

linda

 

If you are just researching this now, why are you condemning the airbags
already! Typical stupid **** who wants to complain, and sue the
manufacturers for having airbags. If you don't like them, take them out of
the fucking car!

Probably related to the douche bag who sued Honda for not having an airbag
in the car, before the were mandated.

 

this does not deserve a reply. but i am sending one anyway.. if you have
to resort to calling me names, then by all means feel free to.
i have been called worse.. but do so in private
() do not let these other individuals who are
trying to find real information be subjected to your apparent ignorance
and lack of intelligence to properly state your case without using
vulgarity.

linda watkins


feel free to email me there and blast me on my private email. i can at
least delete you on my private email.. and can report you also...

linda

 

p.s. DEADBEAT... it is against the law to remove the airbags, but i did
not expect anyone named DEADBEAT to know that.. so i am hereby informing
you fo this law and if you wish i will research it for you and show you..

linda

 

That's not entirely true. It's not legal for a professional mechanic
(dealer or otherwise) to render inoperative any Federally regulated item
of motor vehicle safety equipment, but vehicle owners are not regulated
parties under the National Highway Traffic and Safety Act. Therefore,
vehicle owners are not Federally prohibited from removing, disabling or
deactivating their own vehicles' airbags. There exist a few states that
prohibit airbag deactivation or removal except as part of a repair process
that includes reactivation or replacement, but those are rather few. An
even smaller subset of those states check at vehicle inspection time, but
the extent of their inspection is to check that the "AIRBAG" light comes
on and then goes off at vehicle startup. It's not too hard to sidestep
that requirement if you think about it.

In most states, though, it's a nonissue, for there's nothing to stop the
vehicle owner disabling, deactivating or removing his own cars' airbags if
he wants to.

DS

 

OK
DS

 

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf24/29064_web.pdf

Deadbeat, i gave you basic info concerning taking the air bag out of
the 'fu*****" car. i told you it was against the law.
it is not against the law, but there are certain criteria that must be
met before you can get National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration (NHTSA), Department of Transportation (DOT) to
allow it. don't you just hate all those rules and regultions that won't
let you do what you want?
anyway, if you can access the above website, i suggest you search
through it using specific terms such as deactivation and removal and
find out the criteria.. you will be surprised...

linda