90 3.0 rough idle and miss

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by fleshbobroundpants, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. hello
    I have a 90 ply.voyager a little over 192,000,It's a hoss.
    about 3 months ago it started to idle rough with a little bit of miss
    I cleaned the plugs and we were fine,[ plugs have to be cleaned
    about every 1500 mi due to an oil coating problem] this practice
    has worked thus far but about 2 weeks ago that stoped working
    the idle got rougher the missing has gotten worse.I've checked
    plugs,wires,cap,rotor,coil,haven't heard any vac leaks,it just won't
    come out of it.The problem starts at start up,dosen't get any worse or
    better throughout driving,getting up to speed is now a problem
    but will hold speed once you get there[unless going up hill] then it
    wants to slow down.It kind of sounds like somthings cloged or like a
    chug.It's a delivery van lot's of stop and go and idleing,no stalling
    yet! Could someone please give me an idea of what to do?

    Thanks
     
    fleshbobroundpants, Nov 6, 2007
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  2. fleshbobroundpants

    Ron Seiden Guest

    Instead of cleaning the old plugs, try installing a new set of platinum
    plugs (maybe even the Bosch dual ground electrode platinums) along with new
    wires. (In the old days, an oil coating problem on the plugs could be fixed
    by installing plugs one heat range hotter than stock -- assuming you don't
    have any overheating problems. Don't know if that can still be done with
    modern plug heat ranges & all...)
    Also, a vacuum leak you can't hear can still cause the mixture to go lean
    enough to cause problems (especially as cars these days run at the ragged
    edge of lean normally). If the vacuum hoses are old enough, they could have
    cracks leaking enough air. Either spray them with something like WD-40 while
    it's idling & see if the idle changes (a sign that they're leaking), or just
    change them all on general principles. The kind of driving you describe can
    produce high under-hood temps that will dry out the hoses faster, leading to
    air leaks...
    And then there's always the "re-set the computer" gambit. Lots of things
    change as the vehicle ages and wears, so the computer needs a fresh look at
    it all. Disconnect the ground cable from your battery and leave it for 10-15
    minutes (or longer -- go for a snack). This should allow the pre-sets to
    evaporate. Re-connect the battery and when you next start up the engine, it
    will run oddly for a minute (more or less) as the computer gets fresh
    readings from all the worn stuff and implements new settings based on these
    now up-to-date readings.
     
    Ron Seiden, Nov 7, 2007
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  3. fleshbobroundpants

    who Guest

    Mitsubishi engine? Not that great an engine. Burning much oil?
     
    who, Nov 7, 2007
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  4. fleshbobroundpants

    kmath50 Guest

    Since you have a 1990, do you know if the valve seals and guides have
    been checked? 3.0's of this vintage had a problem of the seals
    leaking, and the value guides sinking into the heads. These problems
    were address later, before the 3.0 was discontinued. If you go to
    allpar.com, there is extensive information about this

    -KM.
     
    kmath50, Nov 8, 2007
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