89 lebaron head gasket

Discussion in 'LeBaron' started by jsanders, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. jsanders

    jsanders Guest

    just want to know if you think its the headgasket.

    this is an 89 lebaron 2.5 non-turbo. When you put water in the rad,
    it'll bubble with no rad cap, shut the car off and put the rad cap on
    and it'll start to steam out the exhaust pipe. Soon the water level
    will get low and the car will hit redline on the temp gauge. Fill it up
    with water while its running and the thermostat will open and it'll
    cool down right away. Changed the thermostat already.

    Its a school learning project so there's no time schedule, no hurrying
    to get it fixed before the weekend, etc.

    oh. also pulled the plugs. plugs 2,3,4 look normal (brown electrode and
    tips) but plug 1 looked clean with a bit of oil on it. sounds like
    there might be a leak there. And also, the car has a bit of a rough
    idle sometimes, and a slight delay accelerating from idle. MAF sensor?
     
    jsanders, Oct 4, 2006
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  2. jsanders

    damnnickname Guest

    Possible cracked head/blown head gasket. If you have access to an air
    compressor with an adapter that will screw into the spark plug holes,
    apply about 100psi while cranking the engine over (coil unplugged) with
    the radiator cap off and radiator filled. Stand back and crank the engine,
    if you see the coolant spew out of the radiator you can believe its an
    internal leak.

    Glenn Beasley
    Chrysler Tech
     
    damnnickname, Oct 4, 2006
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  3. jsanders

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Noticeable steam out the exhaust pipe is a pretty bad sign.
    How would a MAP (that engine didn't use a MAF sensor) cause one plug
    to look different from the rest?

    Sorry, but based on the symptoms you've cited here, a bad head gasket
    is just about the best you can hope for.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Oct 4, 2006
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  4. jsanders

    jsanders Guest

    Sorry, maybe i wasn't clear enough. I believe the clean spark plug
    would be a blown head(gasket) around cylinder 1, but the maf sensor
    sending the wrong readings. A friend had a 94 ford explorer with a
    dirty maf that had a delay when accelerating.
     
    jsanders, Oct 4, 2006
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  5. jsanders

    philthy Guest

    i know hilbillys that won't do that crap
     
    philthy, Oct 5, 2006
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  6. jsanders

    philthy Guest

    has a compression test been done on the engine? that should be the first
    step
     
    philthy, Oct 5, 2006
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  7. jsanders

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    As long as you've got a lot of evidence that the head gasket is blown
    (or worse), it seems like you should worry about that first, and then
    worry about little things.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Oct 5, 2006
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  8. jsanders

    damnnickname Guest

    http://www.type2.com/library/engineg/leaktst.htm

    And how long have you been diagnoising problems such as this dirty?.. #1
    and #4 cylinders on that engine are the first to have headgasket
    problems. There is no need to put the cyl on TDC, You dont even need the
    gauge. Why would you do a compression test if you suspect an internal
    crack or gasket failure? Stick around little boy, you may learn something


    Procedure: Remove spark plugs. Set engine to TDC #1. Calibrate test gauge
    per the instructions. Lock engine so it can not turn. Conect hose to spark
    plug hole, Conect pressurized gauge to hose connection. Read leakage. If
    looking for coolant leaks and nothing obvious shows up, bypass gauge and
    connect shop air direct to cylinder. Open radiator cap before this. If
    coolant sprays out, you have a head problem. Do same test on rest of
    cylinders. Remember to set TDC of each piston for compression stroke. This
    test is also great for air cooled haed leaks and valve problems. Note that
    all engines will have some leakge past the rings. I always do full
    pressure test when I suspect a problem. Make sure engine is secured with
    full pressure test. it will spin violently. With gauge connected, you can
    rock crankshaft to see if leakage changes. If so, this is a sign that the
    ring lands are wearing, new engines will also do this until the rings are
    seated.
     
    damnnickname, Oct 6, 2006
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  9. jsanders

    DeserTBoB Guest

    Ummm...I know I'm missing something here, but just how would you rock
    the crank enough to test the ring lands when you have it locked to
    prevent it from motoring from the air pressure?
     
    DeserTBoB, Oct 6, 2006
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  10. Do a cranking compression test- NOT a cylinder leakdown test with
    compressed air. A cranking compression test will show a bad head
    gasket a lot faster than a leakdown will. You already know you are
    losing coolant, and steaming out the exhaust- sounds like a textbook
    case blown headgasket. There's nothing mysterious about it.

    The cranking compression test will show you what cylinders are
    affected- then pull the head and look in that area.

    It also "may" be a valve seat cracked, or cracked head, or cracked
    block- but most likely just a gasket. Disassembly will reveal what it
    is.
     
    duty-honor-country, Oct 6, 2006
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