300M: Front wheel noise while turning

Discussion in 'Chrysler 300' started by MoPar Man, May 31, 2009.

  1. MoPar Man

    MoPar Man Guest

    Car is '00 300m.

    When turning to the right while moving forward, a scraping noise is
    being generated from the front driver's wheel area. Noise pattern
    (frequency) is proportional to wheel RPM. The duty-cycle of the noise
    "burst" is proportional to the amount of right-hand turn. Noise is the
    same regardless if breaking, coasting, or accelerating.

    No noise if travelling in a straight line. Does not seem to make any
    noise when turning left. Doesn't seem to be any noise from the
    front-passenger wheel.

    Any candidates for this noise? CV joint or boot?

    What exactly is on the scheduled service list for the front wheels for
    this car as far as rotating parts go?
     
    MoPar Man, May 31, 2009
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  2. MoPar Man

    Greg Houston Guest

    It's probably just the brake heat shield scraping away against your poor
    disk. This is a very common problem with the LH cars, and I've had it
    on my '99 since 2003. This shield is a flat metal "tongue" that hangs
    down between the bottom of the brake disk (rotor) and the steering
    knuckle and has a very close clearance with the disk. For some reason
    the clearance gets even less during turns in the direction away from the
    wheel's side.

    If the scraping is during left turns, it's likely the right wheel and
    visa versa. The best fix is to turn the wheel in the direction of the
    noise (to maximize the gap while you work) and remove the wheel.
    Carefully/gently pry the brake shield away from the disk. I use a thin
    piece of cardboard to protect the disk from whatever I'm doing the
    prying with. With the piece of cardboard then gently slide up and down
    between the disk and shield to loosen the junk and rust that builds up
    there.

    Unfortunately it's only a temporary fix, although a cheap and easy one.
    It tends to keep on reoccurring as the shield rusts and/or collects road
    grit. I've given up removing the wheel each time and merely park the
    car with the wheel turned all the way, then reach behind the wheel and
    use an old hotel key to clean the gap. It tends to reoccur faster when
    the car is parked in the rain.

    I would take care of this right away as that scraping noise is your nice
    smooth disk surface being scraped away. If not taken care of, it
    gradually gets worse until the slightest turn causes the noise.
     
    Greg Houston, May 31, 2009
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  3. MoPar Man

    Bill Putney Guest

    I agree with Greg, especially if the noise you are hearing is a
    high-pitched squeal.

    Greg - I've not heard of the problem continuously recurring like yours
    has done. Usually the shield is bent when suspension or brake work is
    done, and once it is bent back away from the rotor, it's OK. Weird.

    If it's not the rotor shield, the next suspect in my mind would be the
    wheel bearing.

    The only mention that the FSM makes of checking the front end components
    is to "Inspect the CV joints and front suspension components" under the
    heading "At Each Oil Change". No other mention of that area under any
    mileage heading (I'm looking at the Schedule B in the '99 FSM).
     
    Bill Putney, May 31, 2009
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  4. MoPar Man

    cavedweller Guest

    Oh, No!!! Not the hated "which side is the noisy bearing on?"
    discussion again!!!
    It's been soooooo long. :))
     
    cavedweller, May 31, 2009
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  5. MoPar Man

    MoPar Man Guest

    While on the subject -

    Is there any recommended service interval (or, is it just a good idea)
    to grease the wheel bearings every once in a while on these LH cars?

    I remember cleaning and repacking the front wheel bearings on my older
    Dodge's with front drums every once in a while because you had to take
    the bearings out to pull the drums off while replacing the brake
    shoes. I had the impression that the rear bearings (which you didn't
    have to remove) were exposed to differential fluid (yes?) and hence were
    always lubricated.
     
    MoPar Man, May 31, 2009
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  6. MoPar Man

    Bill Putney Guest

    They are sealed - no greasing possible - sealed double-row balls. The
    service interval is that when they start making noise, you replace them.
     
    Bill Putney, May 31, 2009
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  7. MoPar Man

    Bill Putney Guest

    I don't do that anymore. :)
     
    Bill Putney, May 31, 2009
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  8. MoPar Man

    MoPar Man Guest

    I could swear that when I removed the outer cap on the rear wheels I
    could see the cotter pin holding the nut in place, and the bearing right
    behind it. Didn't seem sealed to me (not any more sealed as they used
    to be in the 60's).
     
    MoPar Man, May 31, 2009
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  9. MoPar Man

    Bill Putney Guest

    The rear does have a cotter pin and nut - that just locks the sealed
    hub/bearing assembly to the spindle.

    I thought you were asking about the front bearings, but the rears are
    also sealed. Both front and rear are hub/bearing assemblies (replace as
    a unit).
     
    Bill Putney, May 31, 2009
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  10. MoPar Man

    cavedweller Guest

    Nor me, since I invented the stethoscope.........
     
    cavedweller, May 31, 2009
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  11. MoPar Man

    cavedweller Guest

    Aaarrrgghhhh!!..."I".
     
    cavedweller, May 31, 2009
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  12. MoPar Man

    Some O Guest

    It could be worn bearings causing the scraping.
    At about 80k miles my '95 Concorde developed a scraping of the front
    brakes. Turned out it was caused by worn bearings allowing the wheel to
    shift and cause the brakes to drag.
     
    Some O, Jun 1, 2009
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