300C - Bitchin' fuzzmobile

[Dave Gower]

Looking at TV ads of the new 300, and thinking about the black one I saw at
the local dealer, I can't help thinking that here we have the new icon of
road-going police authority. Imagine one of those babies with oversized
bumpers, bull-horns on the front fenders, a white door with a huge Redneck
County Sheriff's Department logo, high-tech lightbar and bad-ass blackwall
tires. All backed up with that 0-60 in 5.3 seconds hemi. Jackie Gleason
would run Bert Reynolds into the dirt every time.

Seriously, police have been complaining for some time about the shrinking
variety of large rear-drive sedans available. Well now they can smile all
the way to the donut shop. Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of
Chrysler's game plan.

 

[Matt Whiting]

Dave Gower wrote:




http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=156,173&sid=173&article=6931

Chrysler, though, is considering entering the police market in a big
way with its new Chrysler 300C platform, a rear-drive vehicle that
police may favor, especially with a Mopar police package. If Ford
loses even half its 70-percent share of the police interceptor market,
the vehicle would lose its business case for continued production.

Not only are you ignorant enough to post an image to a non .binary
group, but you did it four times. Sheesh.


Matt

 

[MoPar Man]

Not only are you ignorant enough to post an image to a non
.binary group

I searched for a link to the .JPG image I had. I would have rather
posted the link rather than the .JPG itself. But I think this rather
unique image was worthy of posting. The differentiation of text and
binary groups is, arguably, more of a historic legacy than a current
necessity.

but you did it four times.

Interesting.

My ISP (Sympatico) has some sort of posting mechanism that (I though)
prohibited large posts. If you notice my 4 posts, they are each
successively smaller (reflecting an increasing amount of compression I
was applying to the .JPG image). Only 1 post (the last one) actually
showed up on my ISP's news server. I assumed that my server had
rejected the previous 3 because they were too big. I had no idea they
were actually distributed to the internet at large.

 

[Matt Whiting]

Matt Whiting wrote:




I searched for a link to the .JPG image I had. I would have rather
posted the link rather than the .JPG itself. But I think this rather
unique image was worthy of posting. The differentiation of text and
binary groups is, arguably, more of a historic legacy than a current
necessity.

Hardly. Many of us still are hobbled with dial up lines and loading
these images takes a long time. Fortunately, after the secone message
in your string, I figured you were a newbie who didn't know how to post
properly and just marked the rest of your messages as read.


Matt

 

[Daniel J. Stern]

I searched for a link to the .JPG image I had. I would have rather
posted the link rather than the .JPG itself.

Next time, don't be lazy. If you don't find the image already existing in
webspace, put it up in your own.

The differentiation of text and binary groups is, arguably, more of a
historic legacy than a current necessity.

That is your (incorrect) opinion, and not your decision to make.

My ISP (Sympatico) has

....nothing to do with your improper posting behaviour. Please don't do it
again.

I had no idea they were actually distributed to the internet at large.

Of course you didn't...

 

[CopperTop]

I have no problem whith him posting an image. Doubt many others did either,
I may be wrong. But it was good to see it, I'm glad you did Mopar Man.
Thanks.

 

[Art]

The reason why binary posts should not be made to text groups is that they
will not be visible to some people. Many ISp's block the downloading of
binariers from text groups.

 

[Gene Poon]

Looking at TV ads of the new 300, and thinking about the black one I saw at
the local dealer, I can't help thinking that here we have the new icon of
road-going police authority. Imagine one of those babies with oversized
bumpers, bull-horns on the front fenders, a white door with a huge Redneck
County Sheriff's Department logo, high-tech lightbar and bad-ass blackwall
tires. All backed up with that 0-60 in 5.3 seconds hemi. Jackie Gleason
would run Bert Reynolds into the dirt every time.

Seriously, police have been complaining for some time about the shrinking
variety of large rear-drive sedans available. Well now they can smile all
the way to the donut shop. Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of
Chrysler's game plan.

=================================

As long as the ENGINEERS are not saddled with German bean counting.
Like that which specified standard brake fluid instead of the high-temp
silicone fluid that the engineers really wanted in the 2002-2003 Dodge
Intrepid police package. The ones that had brakes catch on fire due to
excess heat igniting the brake fluid.

Those Germans wouldn't cut corners like that on their beloved
Mercedes-Benz, would they?

Maybe they do. Current Consumer Reports says the Mercedes-Benz E-Class
is among only nine cars that "earn" their lowest reliability rating.
The worst? The BMW 7-series.

In comparison, the Dodge Intrepid has been rated average in reliability.

-GP

 

[Dave Gower]

Not only are you ignorant enough to post an image to a non .binary
group, but you did it four times. Sheesh.

Well my ISP blocked his reply so on my screen it looks like you are calling
me ignorant, not Mopar Man. Thanks loads.

 

[Jack Baruth]

I have no problem whith him posting an image. Doubt many others did either,
I may be wrong. But it was good to see it, I'm glad you did Mopar Man.
Thanks.

This is not a binaries newsgroup. Therefore, it is always wrong to
post binaries. This is about as simple as life on the Internet gets.

You may ask, "Why? Afterall, we're all using Outlook Express and cable
modems..." *You* may be, but most of us are not. Our overseas friends,
who often pay per minute for dialup, are very poorly served by
no-warning binaries in NGs. I personally use slrn to read news, others
use tin or rn. None of those standard readers have graphics
capabilities. This group is for everyone with an interest in Chrysler
products, not a narrow group of Windows/broadband users who feel above
the RFCs.

If MoParMan feels justified posting his "unique" binary, others will
as well. Eventually this will become an undeclared binaries newsgroup.
At that point, many admins, particularly non-US ones, will take it off
their list of approved groups, because the cost to receive and carry
it will be too high.

Images on this NG should be hyperlinks.

 

[Matt Whiting]

I have no problem whith him posting an image. Doubt many others did either,
I may be wrong. But it was good to see it, I'm glad you did Mopar Man.
Thanks.

Newsgroup etiquette isn't based on what any one person has a problem
with or not. It was established long ago for good reasons. Only mental
midgets intentionally ignore it.


Matt

 

[Matt Whiting]

Well my ISP blocked his reply so on my screen it looks like you are calling
me ignorant, not Mopar Man. Thanks loads.

If he hadn't posted a binary to a group not intended for binaries, your
ISP probably wouldn't have blocked it. I can't help it if you are
offended by a post that obviously wasn't addressed to you.


Matt

 

[Bill Putney]

Well my ISP blocked his reply so on my screen it looks like you are calling
me ignorant, not Mopar Man. Thanks loads.

FWIW, the Google archives of this ng also exclude MoPar Man's posts with
the binaries.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

[MoPar Man]

FWIW, the Google archives of this ng also exclude MoPar Man's
posts with the binaries.

Most likely because Google's archiver recognizes the included Mime
component as non-text and therefore decides not to archive the entire
post. I doubt it has anything to do with a binary attachment in a
"text-only" news group. I'd be surprised if Google archives any posts
with a Mime attachment - regardless of whether it's a "binary" group
or not.

 

[MoPar Man]

If he hadn't posted a binary to a group not intended for binaries,
your ISP probably wouldn't have blocked it. I can't help it if
you are offended by a post that obviously wasn't addressed to you.

Um, wrong.

I've experimented with the length of posts that Sypmatico accepts
(using plain text posts) and the limit is around 19k. Doesn't matter
what the content is (plain text or Mime).

If my news server didn't accept a "binary post to a non-binary group"
then it wouldn't have accepted ANY of my 4 posts (but it DID accept my
last post). Why it forwarded the first 3 (without storing a local
copy of those) I have no idea.

I doubt that any residential ISP news-servers follow a rule of
rejecting messages with included binaries posted to non-binary groups.

 

[MoPar Man]

You may ask, "Why? Afterall, we're all using Outlook Express and
cable modems..." *You* may be, but most of us are not.

Does your news reader show you a list of message subjects AND their
corresponding message size and/or line-length? If so, then it's easy
to pick and choose which posts to read based on that.

Our overseas friends, who often pay per minute for dialup, are
very poorly served by no-warning binaries in NGs. I personally
use slrn to read news, others use tin or rn.

Yea, 14 years ago I was reading and posting with rn or trn on an SGI.
Then we got Next work-stations and could piece binary images
together. Wow - that was cool.

And by the way, many of our "overseas friends" (in UK, Germany, NL,
France, BE, etc) have DSL or cable connections just like us (and their
residential computers on networks like BTN and Wanadoo are just as
infected with trojans that spew e-mail spam all over the internet as
our computers on Rogers and Comcast and Road Runner for example).

Eventually this will become an undeclared binaries newsgroup.

Look. I would have rather posted a link (if I could find it) rather
than the binary. I made the binary pretty small as it was.

At that point, many admins, particularly non-US ones, will take
it off their list of approved groups, because the cost to
receive and carry it will be too high.

We should all stop talking about this before Nomen or Micanic starts
paying attention and starts posting pics here as well then.

 

[kokomokid]

If they build a "decontented" 300 with the V8, but with vinyl bench seats,
black steel wheels, manual AC, low end trim, etc., they should be able to
sell a lot of them as police cars. The cops would love them compared to the
Crown Vics. As they now exist, a 300C would cost thousands of dollars more
than a Crown Vic so there might be taxpayer rovolts in states or cities
where a lot of 300C's were bought as cop cars.

 

[MoPar Man]

If they build a "decontented" 300 with the V8, but with vinyl
bench seats, black steel wheels, manual AC, low end trim, etc.

In other words - Plymouth?

Sorry, ain't got no Plymouth any more. And Dodge isin't going to get
a "de-contented" 300-style sedan either (the Daimler guys made sure of
that).

they should be able to sell a lot of them as police cars.

Now were did I put that file... :0

Seriously, how many of you out there swore (as an unmarked crown vic
passed you on the highway) that you'd never buy a car that could be
mistaken for a cop car (or that only senior citizens would drive?)

The thought of driving the same make and model car that my local
donut-eating, radar-pointing cop is cruising around in makes my skin
crawl.

 

[Dori A Schmetterling]

See below.

DAS
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For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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Does your news reader show you a list of message subjects AND their
corresponding message size and/or line-length? If so, then it's easy
to pick and choose which posts to read based on that.

FROM DAS: No!

Yea, 14 years ago I was reading and posting with rn or trn on an SGI.
Then we got Next work-stations and could piece binary images
together. Wow - that was cool.

And by the way, many of our "overseas friends" (in UK, Germany, NL,
France, BE, etc) have DSL or cable connections just like us (and their
residential computers on networks like BTN and Wanadoo are just as
infected with trojans that spew e-mail spam all over the internet as
our computers on Rogers and Comcast and Road Runner for example).

FROM DAS: Yes, but that doesn't alter the fact that many people use
dial-up. In Britain we are particularly behind in introducing low-cost
broadband. In the office I have a nominal 512 kbps connection (ADSL), but
at home it's a regular dial-up with a max speed of about 50 kbps. (At my
office typical speeds are only about 35 - 40 kbps.) I used to find that
downloading these newsgroup msgs took ages until I discovered that my ISP
maintains text only servers, so that's what I used now.

 

[Jack Baruth]

If they build a "decontented" 300 with the V8, but with vinyl bench seats,
black steel wheels, manual AC, low end trim, etc., they should be able to
sell a lot of them, period.

I corrected your above post in the interest of accuracy.

There is a tremendous market out there in the US for low-cost,
high-power, traditional RWD cars. Right now most of that market buys
the cheapest V8 pickup they can get. Seen a lot of regular-cab Ram
1500 HEMIs around? I sure have.

But here's the problem. The way cars are manufactured now, the
additional costs in speccing and designing all that low-end stuff
might eat up most of your savings. If you only have to design one A/C
unit, it's pretty darned expensive to come up with a manual one as
well... the R&D might outweigh the costs of having a few chips and
sensors in there.

I don't agree with MoParMan on binaries, but I suspect both of us
would like to see Plymouth back. They could call their LX car the
Satellite, and the high-performance version the... hmm... I'm sure
they could *beep beep* think of something...