2003 T&C passenger side exterior door lock missing?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Allen Evans, Sep 10, 2003.

  1. Allen Evans

    Allen Evans Guest

    Hey, I just bought a 2003 T&C LX a couple weeks ago, and I've become
    painfully aware that at least on my van, there is no exterior key
    unlocks on the passenger side of the vehicle. I really don't want to
    carry the fob around all the time, as it is rather large and
    cumbersome. Is this a standard un-feature of the 2003 models, or was
    there some option I didn't see when picking out the van? Is this
    something that can be added by the dealer, or am I out of luck in
    getting a key unlock on the passenger side?

    Also, this van has the power lift gate, and unfortunately it opens
    higher than the Windstar that got replaced, and whenever the lift gate
    opens up all the way while the vehicle is in the garage, it hits my
    opened garage door. Is there an adjustment that can be made to limit
    the vertical height of the lift gate, or should I just refrain from
    opening the gate while in the garage to keep things from hitting?

    Thanks!
    Allen
     
    Allen Evans, Sep 10, 2003
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  2. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    it's called being cheap and deleting the key cylinders if you look you
    will notice they have been dropped on alot of d.c models! isn't german
    engineering wonderful????
     
    mic canic, Sep 18, 2003
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  3. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    Yeah - I've even noticed it on BMW's. Personally I prefer the lock cylinder
    only on the drivers door. It never has been needed on the others since auto
    door lock/unlock has become so popular.
     
    RPhillips47, Sep 19, 2003
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  4. Allen Evans

    Allen Evans Guest

    (RPhillips47) wrote in message
    Except for those of us who carry car keys in our pockets, and don't
    like to have a bunch of keyless remotes filling up and burdening down
    the key chain. I have a keyless remote for the van, one for my car,
    and if I so chose, I could even be carrying one for my garage door
    opener. If I choose to carry a bunch of remotes on my key chain
    that's my choice, but I don't want to be forced to carry one just to
    unlock the passenger side of the vehicle from the outside.

    Since the keyless remotes have been so popular, they've even gone away
    from the extenal keypad unlocks that were popular in the early 90's.
    Now, I'm forced to carry keys with me, rather than being able to lock
    them in the vehicle (hidden, of course) when I take my kids to the
    pool, or going hiking, or other activity where it's a bother to carry
    keys with me.

    Allen
     
    Allen Evans, Sep 19, 2003
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  5. Allen Evans

    Allen Evans Guest

    (RPhillips47) wrote in message
    But my original question remains; is it possible to have the dealer
    install a lock on the passenger door for a reasonable cost, or am I
    SOL? I'd think that since many 2003 T&C's do have this lock, all the
    internal guts would be in there already; it'd just be a matter of
    getting a lock and new lock facia plate installed. Is it harder than
    this?

    Allen
     
    Allen Evans, Sep 19, 2003
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  6. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    Yeah, I used to be just as anal in my thinking. But then I thought about it and
    decided I really only needed the remote for the vehicle I primarily drove. The
    remote for the Jeep went on my keychain and only the key for the T&C (as, when
    the T&C is locked I can unlock all doors with the key in the drivers door
    without the remote). As the driver of the vehicle I have never been bothered by
    having to use the drivers door to unlock the vehicle. Now that I drive the T&C,
    that remote is on my keychain, the remote for the Jeep stays in the cupboard,
    along with the remote to the Pacifica (which is also the key). When I drive the
    Pacifica I carry the remote/key in my other pocket as i do have two of them.

    and continued:
    I seem to recall this only being popular on Ford products (on which they are
    still available). I don't recall Chrysler or GM using this method.
     
    RPhillips47, Sep 20, 2003
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  7. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    My guess is you could do it yourself and save a large amount of money if you
    are up to it. A Haynes Repair Manual (and I am sure others) will detail how to
    remove the door panel and outside handle assembly. From your dealer parts
    department you have purchased anothe drivers door outside handle assembly
    complete and lock cylinder, which you have had set for your key. You follow the
    instructions in the Haynes (or other) manual for removal and replacement, but
    you will most likely have to remeove and rotate the lock cylinder so it lines
    up properly with the passenger side hardware. Of course, as the T&C was not
    built with the key lock cylinder you will have to do a little more
    investigating with your parts person to obtain the parts necessary to link the
    cylinder with the lock mechanism.

    I should also say this is all supposition on my part based on logical thinking.
    As we all know, many times logic is not used in the design process of motor
    vehicles in whicn case you will have to talk with a body repair shop to see if
    this is possible.Good luck - and let us know what happens.
     
    RPhillips47, Sep 20, 2003
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  8. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    you are right INTILL THE BATTERIES FAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    mic canic, Sep 21, 2003
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  9. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    it will also require a new latch to boot

     
    mic canic, Sep 21, 2003
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  10. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    in which case YOU USE THE KEY UNTIL YOU REPLACE THE BATTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    RPhillips47, Sep 21, 2003
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  11. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    well lets really think about that
    you have a key fob and the battery has lasted 2.5 years then dies, now lets
    say in that 2.5 years you used your key twice to unlock the door and that
    was 2 years ago
    so you stick your key in the lock cylinder and the key will not turn
    it,it's siezed and you are stuck in the pouring rain not able to enter
    your$ 30.000.00 vehicle! now do you get pissed off at those cheap bastards
    germans because they wanted to save 20 bucs building the vehicle and DID
    NOT PASS THE SAVINGS TO YOU
     
    mic canic, Sep 24, 2003
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  12. My neighbor's 2003 Buick LeSabre is missing the passenger door lock cylinder
    also, so GM is doing it too...not just D.C.

    | it's called being cheap and deleting the key cylinders if you look you
    | will notice they have been dropped on alot of d.c models! isn't german
    | engineering wonderful????
    |
    | Allen Evans wrote:
    |
    | > Hey, I just bought a 2003 T&C LX a couple weeks ago, and I've become
    | > painfully aware that at least on my van, there is no exterior key
    | > unlocks on the passenger side of the vehicle. I really don't want to
    | > carry the fob around all the time, as it is rather large and
    | > cumbersome. Is this a standard un-feature of the 2003 models, or was
    | > there some option I didn't see when picking out the van? Is this
    | > something that can be added by the dealer, or am I out of luck in
    | > getting a key unlock on the passenger side?
    | >
    | > Also, this van has the power lift gate, and unfortunately it opens
    | > higher than the Windstar that got replaced, and whenever the lift gate
    | > opens up all the way while the vehicle is in the garage, it hits my
    | > opened garage door. Is there an adjustment that can be made to limit
    | > the vertical height of the lift gate, or should I just refrain from
    | > opening the gate while in the garage to keep things from hitting?
    | >
    | > Thanks!
    | > Allen
    |
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 24, 2003
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  13. My neighbors Buick LeSabre is missing the passenger door lock cylinder too, so the good 'ole GM USA folks are apparently cheap too.

    To be honest, I can't remember when I've ever used the key in the passenger lock on any of my cars...I usually unlock the driver door and use the power locks to unlock the other doors when ever that is required to let in a passenger.
    well lets really think about that
    you have a key fob and the battery has lasted 2.5 years then dies, now lets say in that 2.5 years you used your key twice to unlock the door and that was 2 years ago
    so you stick your key in the lock cylinder and the key will not turn it,it's siezed and you are stuck in the pouring rain not able to enter your$ 30.000.00 vehicle! now do you get pissed off at those cheap bastards germans because they wanted to save 20 bucs building the vehicle and DID NOT PASS THE SAVINGS TO YOU
    RPhillips47 wrote:

    in which case YOU USE THE KEY UNTIL YOU REPLACE THE BATTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    James C. Reeves, Sep 24, 2003
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  14. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    my merc. grand marq. has them and a touch pad to boot
     
    mic canic, Sep 26, 2003
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  15. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    Yeah - like that would really happen???!!! BTW - we took deleivery of our '96
    T&C LXi in April of '96. Have never replaced the batteries in either fob (and
    they still work perfectly, as has the key when i have used it. Why don't you
    try posting something of importance instead of being a foolish dolt all of the
    time?
     
    RPhillips47, Sep 26, 2003
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  16. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    it has happened and i have repaired a few for this issue
    and i bet you will still buy levis jeans
     
    mic canic, Oct 3, 2003
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  17. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    Yeah - one of those complaints that has happened to so many people so it has
    been posted here so many times over the last few years

    and continued:
    Ummmm - on the evening of August 29 my wife and I paid cash-out-the-door (by
    way of personal check) for our new Pacifica AWD. I cannot remember the last
    time I bought a pair of "jeans", let alone Levis. Can you even afford Levis?
     
    RPhillips47, Oct 4, 2003
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  18. Allen Evans

    mic canic Guest

    did you refinance your house to do so??????like i see some many do who come to
    the dealer to buy cars in cash! each time i get that urge i buy real estate
    it's much better than 401 k and doesn't lose 3 grand in value driving off the
    dealer lot . the pacifica is made out of the states meaning more Americans are
    losing jobs! while companys like Levi's move out of the country
    make more profits and avoid paying corporate taxes in this country and you and i
    have to anti up more taxes
    if it wasn't for low interest rates this country would be in a depression worse
    than the early 80's but you knew that since i suspect you are a enron type
     
    mic canic, Oct 4, 2003
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  19. Allen Evans

    RPhillips47 Guest

    "mic canic" blathered:
    you knew that since i suspect you are a enron type
    You are wrong on both counts - didn't refinance the house and I am NOT an
    Enron-type executive. I don't even know why I bother posting responses to a
    buffoon such as you.

    BTW, one only loses 3 grand on a new vehicle if said vehicle is kept for a
    short period of time. As I keep cars for at least seven years ('96 T&C LXI, '93
    GC Laredo), that intitial loss in depreciation never hurts me - and if a
    vehicle has to be replaced it will be donated to charity.
     
    RPhillips47, Oct 4, 2003
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  20. Allen Evans

    Sustang Guest






    Instead of having so many different remotes have your dealer program
    the vehicles to accept the same remote for all your Chryler toys.
     
    Sustang, Oct 5, 2003
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