2000 Dodge Neon

1• I bought a 2000 Neon, When I bought it, they said that the
Turnsignals ( and emergencey flashers) were not working.

2• No prob .. How hard can that be? I've got 30 years experience in
the Body Shop Business.

3• Looked at the fuse block on the Drivers side of the dash, there
was an empty socket for a relay, Clearly Marked, ' Turn Signals -
Hazard'

4• Called Local Chrysler Dealer Parts Dept ( My very own Brother
happens to be the Parts manager here.. LOL) Ordered a Flasher Relay..
No prob so far..

5• The Relay came with 5 pins (connectors) , the socket on the fuse
block ' Kind of ' matched, but only had 4 slots open and 1 (closed)
blank slot

6• Called Local Chrysler Dealer Parts Dept ( My very own Brother
happens to be the Parts manager here.. LOL) They Said that was the
correct part and to maybe cut the blank slot open..

7• So I took the fuse block loose, and then noticed, On the Back,
that there were not now, nor, has there ever been any wires connected
from the factory to this Relay Socket. So this is not the correct
relay Socket, that explains the wrong number of Slots!

8• Took the bottom of the dash apart, looked under the Glove Box,
looked out under the hood, looked in the Trunk, No relay Socket.

9• Called Local Chrysler Dealer Parts Dept ( My very own Brother
happens to be the Parts manager here.. LOL) asked them where the
Flasher Relay goes. They said they have no way of looking that up, No
way of telling where the Flasher Relay goes.

10• Chrysler has decided that the Relay Socket on the fuse block
Marked ' TURN SIGNAL- HAZARD is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT the appropriate
place for the TURN SIGNAL- HAZARD RELAY. AND THEY ARE (APPARENTLY)
TRYING TO KEEP IT A SECRET!!

11• HHHHmmmmmm .. Maybe this car NEVER had Turn signals or Emergency
Flashers... HHHmmmmmm.. 60,000 miles with out a Turn-signal ..
could be ... Hmmmmmm.......

12• OR - .... CAN ANYONE WITH A 2000 NEON Please tell me where the
Turn Signal Flasher goes OR - go out, turn on the turnsignals, and
track down the Clicking noise from the flasher Relay and please give
me a rough Idea where you are hearing clicking from ....

You'd think Chrysler could tell you where that would be .. You know,
My very own Brother happens to be the .......

Jay Markland
Dayton Ohio

 

it fits in the turn signal switch assembly behind the steering cowling

 

If they're trying to keep it a secret, they're doing a lousy job. The
info's right in the Factory Service Manual, which is easily available for
public purchase.

....You did look in the manual, right?

DS

 

There was a time when the little blow up diagrams on computer showed parts
in virtual position..

 

He tells it like it is, it's right in section 8J

 

I'll bet, that if you had a brother in the parts department, he could get a
look at the FSM, or even let you see it, OR>>>>>>>>>>
perhaps EVEN get a photocopy of the relevant material! Wow, what a concept!

h

 

IIRC, it's in the block of fuses under the hood.

 

well DS,
Personaly ,
I Don't think that a person should have to purchase an Owners manual
to replace a Turn Signal relay. Where will it End? Will we someday
need To Purchase a manual to tell us where to put Oil in at ? or How
to replace a turn signal BULB ?, Or To tell us when we don't have
enough tread left on our tires?... AND, Wouldn't / Shouldn't a multi
million Dollar Parts dept be able to look such Basic Info up on a
Screen of some kind and pass it along to the Consumer who has gone out
of his way to purchase genuine Mopar Parts. .. Ohhh Lets see ..LIKE,
AN OWNERS MANUAL ON THE COMPUTER .... In the Dept that would most
get requests for such info ... Naaaaaaaaa..
Lets just all get dumber, and dumber and let Corporations Give us the
Mushroom treatment. Keep us in the dark, and cover us with BullShit..

And further more .. It's going to be a OOhhh Doughnuts!

 

<snip rant>

I do intricate, technical stuff every day. I long ago learned I don't have
the right to expect to instantly understand everything new I encounter, that
sometimes you have to RTFM. The same idea applies here. If you're going to
work on your own car, you should expect to have to invest some time, effort,
and yes, a few bucks in order to be able to do it right. There's nothing
wrong with that, it is the way the world works.

--Geoff

 

The Owner Manual is supplied with the car when it's new. The
irresponsibility
of the former owners caused yours to be lost. Quit carping about it.

A brand new owners manual for your car, part# 81-026-0039 cost only
$6

Why in tarnation should Chrysler waste the money to put an owners manual
on the computer when every car they sell already has one in the glove box?

The manuals that people have been telling you to get are factory service
manuals. They aren't the same thing as an owners manual. If your going to
rant at least get what your ranting about right.

Have you ever considered that a dealership parts department isn't the best
place to get information about fixing your car? I've bought plenty of
dealer-only
parts and most parts counter people I've talked to know a lot about the
parts
themselves, but don't seem to know alot about fixing cars. I would
guess if they did, they would be in the service area actually fixing the
cars rather
than behind the parts counter.

Ted



Naaaaaaaaa..

 

You're absolutely right, because the information required is not in the
owner's manual. It's in the factory service manual. Different book
entirely.

Be advised, nobody gives much a **** whether you think you should or
shouldn't have to purchase this or that book to do this or that service
work. Can't figure it out? Go get the book, pay someone else to do the
work or live with the fault out of stubbornness. Your choice.

Not their job. Check your "Shift" key, by the way -- it seems to be
inserting random uppercase letters into your posts.

 

Gee, whiz Ted, they could embed it in the ROM for that webserver you want in
each vehicle, you know, the one you want an RJ45 connection for!

(actually, not a bad idea.)

--Geoff

 

Actually, I think that GM has figured out how to solve that one. They just
dick
the owners $35 a month to have some minimum-wager in a call center in
Poontang
read the instructions in the vehicle's owners manual over the phone. They
call
it the OnStar system. ;-)

My guess is that 3/4 of the drivers in cars today wouldn't know the
difference between
an RJ45 port and their girlfriend's snatch.

Ted

 

Actually, I think that GM has figured out how to solve that one. They
just

Careful now, you're calling Troy, MI Poontang (as if!)
--Geoff