2000 Chrysler Grand Voyager Engine Disaster

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by William R. Walsh, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. Hello all...

    The vehicle in question is a 2000 Chrysler Grand Voyager, equipped with the
    3.3L V6 flex-fuel engine. It has 195,570 or so miles on the odometer. It was
    going on down the highway one day when it lost power, stalled and rolled to
    a stop. Upon going to collect it, we found that the engine would start but
    it ran very poorly and seemed to be out of time. (Some of you might remember
    my initial post about this approximately one month and some weeks ago.)

    In that time, we moved the Honda Prelude off the driveway and put it aside.

    With the help of one of my brothers, we dropped the oil pan to see what the
    timing chain looked like. The timing chain is there and might be OK. This
    concludes the good news portion of our broadcast. Inside the bottom of the
    oil pan were three large chunks of metal that as best we can tell are the
    remants of the #2 cylinder piston skirt and a wrist pin. The piston is still
    connected to the connecting rod and will move when the engine is rotated

    There was a surprising amount of sludge in the oil pan. It came a shock to
    see it, since the van has had its oil changed regularly. It was run on
    synthetic (Mobil 1) oil of the correct rating. Only occasionally was
    conventional oil used, and that was when we did not do the changes
    ourselves. (And yes, we checked the dipstick shortly after having any car
    lubrication business change the oil.)

    So...that leaves me with a few questions. First off, how could this have
    happened? Was there something we should have been doing, adjusting or using?
    It doesn't seem like it. Secondly, how likely is it to be worthwhile to
    repair this or even investigate it further? My brother tried looking up into
    the cylinder but I don't think he was able to see a whole lot.

    There's a video here if it might help anyone to see what happened and the
    sludge that had accumulated in the oil pan:

    The failure mode is discovered around the 8th minute.

    William R. Walsh, Nov 23, 2009
  2. William R. Walsh

    KirkM Guest

    It is difficult to understand how that could have happened. I had a
    neighbor that drove his 3.3L Dodge Dynasty for over 265,000 miles
    before he finally got tired of it.

    The 3.3L has a pretty good reputation for longevity.

    KirkM, Nov 23, 2009
  3. William R. Walsh

    Rob Guest

    that's a lot of sludge.........how long were you going between oil changes?
    and what oil was being used?
    Rob, Nov 23, 2009
  4. Hi!
    Approximately 3-5,000 miles depending upon how it was being driven.

    Mobil 1 synthetic was used just about exclusively with this engine. Only a
    few times was non-synthetic oil used.

    I am at a complete loss to explain the failure. This van's been driven a lot
    (200,000 miles in nine years seems like it to me) but I would swear to you
    that it has been maintained well and not mistreated.

    William R. Walsh, Nov 23, 2009
  5. William R. Walsh

    Rob Guest

    pull a valve cover, take some pics of the sludge if any, then reply back.
    Rob, Nov 23, 2009
  6. William R. Walsh

    KirkM Guest

    Is it possible that coolant was maybe getting into the oil?

    KirkM, Nov 23, 2009
  7. Hi!
    I haven't seen any sign of such a thing. The oil in the pan was normal at
    first and sludgy further down in the pan without being "milky". (I'd have to
    think it would look milky if it had been exposed to coolant.)

    I'm at a loss to explain this failure. This van and its engine were running
    perfectly well by all accounts and observations. And it died, just like
    that, while going down the highway?

    William R. Walsh, Nov 23, 2009
  8. William R. Walsh

    Rob Guest

    coolant in small amounts wont always change color of the oil. depends on
    how much was in there. see it all the time.
    Rob, Nov 24, 2009
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