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Michael Gudzinowicz
1989 2.5L stops 2-3 seconds after starting... for the experts:
My local dealer has admitted great difficulty in diagnosing this
recurrent problem. They have the car at this time.
History:
A few years ago, the 1989 Dynasty had a similar problem due to a
vacuum sensor failure, which was replaced by the local dealer.
Subsequently, all of the vacuum lines were replaced after one
cracked. The new "T's" melted down, and were replaced.
Last fall, the car would start and run smoothly for 2 or 3
seconds, and then shut down. This time, the dealer indicated that
it wasn't the sensor, vacuum, or continuity problems, but
appeared to be fuel starvation (the pressure was low). The filter
and fuel pump were replaced which had no effect. Eventually, they
replaced the computer, and the car was running smoothly again,
except for a few stalling episodes while coasting to a stop which
didn't recur. Other components were checked, and appeared to be OK.
A month ago, the symptoms reappeared. The mechanic felt that it
was not an electronic failure. The engine stopped running after a
few seconds, and fuel pressure would drop. The injector was
firing. Clamping the fuel return line permitted the engine to
run. Swapping the injector with a used known "good" injector and
seal permitted the engine to run with normal fuel pressure (+14
psi). The old injector seal was crushed on one edge. Replacing it
seemed to solve the problem. Presure remained high and stable.
Now... the same scenario. The engine would start and run for two
or three seconds; when it stopped, I could detect the odor of
gasoline, which suggested flooding (that no longer occurs). The
technician at the dealer indicated that the "clamp" trick didn't
work in the parking lot, and that I might need a new injector.
After working on the car, they determined that the injector was
firing, and the ignition system appears to be OK. Holding the
throttle open while spraying starter fluid permits the engine to
run. The current suggestion is to replace the computer, and
assume that last month's the leaking o-ring simply was
coincidental with an intermittent computer problem. (I do not
know if they checked fuel pressure, the o-ring or swapped the
injector for a good one this time around, but I assume they did.)
One additional bit of information... After the car shuts down, it
does not restart unless the key returns to the "off" position.
Otherwise, it just cranks. The implication is that the computer
is being "reset". That sequence also occurred last month.
A year ago, they indicated that they were baffled by the problem,
and a straightforward solution still is not apparent.
Any clues?
I'll pass them along today.
Thank you for reading the post.
Mike in RI
My local dealer has admitted great difficulty in diagnosing this
recurrent problem. They have the car at this time.
History:
A few years ago, the 1989 Dynasty had a similar problem due to a
vacuum sensor failure, which was replaced by the local dealer.
Subsequently, all of the vacuum lines were replaced after one
cracked. The new "T's" melted down, and were replaced.
Last fall, the car would start and run smoothly for 2 or 3
seconds, and then shut down. This time, the dealer indicated that
it wasn't the sensor, vacuum, or continuity problems, but
appeared to be fuel starvation (the pressure was low). The filter
and fuel pump were replaced which had no effect. Eventually, they
replaced the computer, and the car was running smoothly again,
except for a few stalling episodes while coasting to a stop which
didn't recur. Other components were checked, and appeared to be OK.
A month ago, the symptoms reappeared. The mechanic felt that it
was not an electronic failure. The engine stopped running after a
few seconds, and fuel pressure would drop. The injector was
firing. Clamping the fuel return line permitted the engine to
run. Swapping the injector with a used known "good" injector and
seal permitted the engine to run with normal fuel pressure (+14
psi). The old injector seal was crushed on one edge. Replacing it
seemed to solve the problem. Presure remained high and stable.
Now... the same scenario. The engine would start and run for two
or three seconds; when it stopped, I could detect the odor of
gasoline, which suggested flooding (that no longer occurs). The
technician at the dealer indicated that the "clamp" trick didn't
work in the parking lot, and that I might need a new injector.
After working on the car, they determined that the injector was
firing, and the ignition system appears to be OK. Holding the
throttle open while spraying starter fluid permits the engine to
run. The current suggestion is to replace the computer, and
assume that last month's the leaking o-ring simply was
coincidental with an intermittent computer problem. (I do not
know if they checked fuel pressure, the o-ring or swapped the
injector for a good one this time around, but I assume they did.)
One additional bit of information... After the car shuts down, it
does not restart unless the key returns to the "off" position.
Otherwise, it just cranks. The implication is that the computer
is being "reset". That sequence also occurred last month.
A year ago, they indicated that they were baffled by the problem,
and a straightforward solution still is not apparent.
Any clues?
I'll pass them along today.
Thank you for reading the post.
Mike in RI