1996 Plymouth Voyager Won't Start

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by Christian M. Mericle, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    week ago and was replaced.

    Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.

    It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    the safe zone.

    Fault codes are:
    12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    13
    14

    Any thoughts?

    -- Christian
     
    Christian M. Mericle, Jan 12, 2006
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  2. Dipstick

    Dipstick Guest

    <<<Christian M. Mericle
    Jan 11, 7:24 pm
    Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    week ago and was replaced.


    Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.


    It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    the safe zone.


    Fault codes are:
    12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    13
    14


    Any thoughts? <<<

    Call a tow truck and have it taken to a reputable mechanic.
     
    Dipstick, Jan 12, 2006
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  3. "Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    > week ago and was replaced.
    >
    > Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    > flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    > another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    > shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >
    > It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    > of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    > the safe zone.
    >
    > Fault codes are:
    > 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    > 13
    > 14
    >
    > Any thoughts?
    >


    When the battery was fried a week ago and replaced, did the person
    who replaced it also throughly check out the charging system to make
    sure the battery was being charged?

    Sounds to me like it isn't, and you simply were running the van off
    the stored energy in the battery that was present when you bought it.
    Now the battery is out of juice and of course the starter isn't going
    to have enough power to turn the engine.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Jan 12, 2006
    #3
  4. CMM

    CMM Guest

    On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:43 -0800, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
    <> wrote:

    >"Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    >> week ago and was replaced.
    >>
    >> Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    >> flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    >> another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    >> shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >>
    >> It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    >> of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    >> the safe zone.
    >>
    >> Fault codes are:
    >> 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    >> 13
    >> 14
    >>
    >> Any thoughts?
    >>

    >
    >When the battery was fried a week ago and replaced, did the person
    >who replaced it also throughly check out the charging system to make
    >sure the battery was being charged?
    >
    >Sounds to me like it isn't, and you simply were running the van off
    >the stored energy in the battery that was present when you bought it.
    >Now the battery is out of juice and of course the starter isn't going
    >to have enough power to turn the engine.
    >
    >Ted


    Thanks for the reply, Ted. Returned later yesterday evening and the
    vehicle started without problem. However, it has symptoms of a blown
    head gasket (steam in the exhaust and water in the oil).

    Considering its age and high mileage, I don't feel it's advantageous
    to have it repaired. I'm going to buy another used vehicle.

    -- Christian
     
    CMM, Jan 12, 2006
    #4
  5. CMM

    CMM Guest

    On 11 Jan 2006 18:24:45 -0800, "Dipstick" <> wrote:

    >Call a tow truck and have it taken to a reputable mechanic.


    If that was the kind of answer I was looking for, do you think I would
    have to post to a newsgroup to get it?

    -- Christian
     
    CMM, Jan 12, 2006
    #5
  6. NewMan

    NewMan Guest

    Depends on the engine. The 3.3 or 3.8 could be worth the fix. If it is
    the 3.0 mitsubishi engine, then push it off the nearest cliff and
    don't look back. ;)

    On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:09:23 -0700, CMM <>
    wrote:

    >On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:43 -0800, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>"Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    >>> week ago and was replaced.
    >>>
    >>> Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    >>> flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    >>> another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    >>> shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >>>
    >>> It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    >>> of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    >>> the safe zone.
    >>>
    >>> Fault codes are:
    >>> 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    >>> 13
    >>> 14
    >>>
    >>> Any thoughts?
    >>>

    >>
    >>When the battery was fried a week ago and replaced, did the person
    >>who replaced it also throughly check out the charging system to make
    >>sure the battery was being charged?
    >>
    >>Sounds to me like it isn't, and you simply were running the van off
    >>the stored energy in the battery that was present when you bought it.
    >>Now the battery is out of juice and of course the starter isn't going
    >>to have enough power to turn the engine.
    >>
    >>Ted

    >
    >Thanks for the reply, Ted. Returned later yesterday evening and the
    >vehicle started without problem. However, it has symptoms of a blown
    >head gasket (steam in the exhaust and water in the oil).
    >
    >Considering its age and high mileage, I don't feel it's advantageous
    >to have it repaired. I'm going to buy another used vehicle.
    >
    >-- Christian
     
    NewMan, Jan 12, 2006
    #6
  7. maxpower

    maxpower Guest

    "Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    > week ago and was replaced.
    >
    > Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    > flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    > another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    > shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >


    If the engine lite came on a few times and flashed as you were driving it.
    That would be a cylinder misfiring. Nothing to do with thte starter.
    > It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    > of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    > the safe zone.
    >
    > Fault codes are:
    > 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    > 13
    > 14
    >


    These are map sensor fault codes which would cause a drivability problem and
    may even cause a no start but also has nothing to do with the starter. I
    would start by checking to make sure the map sensor is connected under the
    hood. You dont say what engine you have therefore I cant tell you where the
    sensor is located

    Glenn Beasley
    Chrysler Tech
    > Any thoughts?
    >
    > -- Christian
    >
     
    maxpower, Jan 12, 2006
    #7
  8. CMM

    CMM Guest

    2.4L, 4 cylinder

    -- Christian


    On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:42:41 -0800, NewMan <>
    wrote:

    >Depends on the engine. The 3.3 or 3.8 could be worth the fix. If it is
    >the 3.0 mitsubishi engine, then push it off the nearest cliff and
    >don't look back. ;)
    >
    >On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:09:23 -0700, CMM <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:45:43 -0800, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    >>>news:...
    >>>> Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    >>>> week ago and was replaced.
    >>>>
    >>>> Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    >>>> flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    >>>> another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    >>>> shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >>>>
    >>>> It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    >>>> of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    >>>> the safe zone.
    >>>>
    >>>> Fault codes are:
    >>>> 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    >>>> 13
    >>>> 14
    >>>>
    >>>> Any thoughts?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>When the battery was fried a week ago and replaced, did the person
    >>>who replaced it also throughly check out the charging system to make
    >>>sure the battery was being charged?
    >>>
    >>>Sounds to me like it isn't, and you simply were running the van off
    >>>the stored energy in the battery that was present when you bought it.
    >>>Now the battery is out of juice and of course the starter isn't going
    >>>to have enough power to turn the engine.
    >>>
    >>>Ted

    >>
    >>Thanks for the reply, Ted. Returned later yesterday evening and the
    >>vehicle started without problem. However, it has symptoms of a blown
    >>head gasket (steam in the exhaust and water in the oil).
    >>
    >>Considering its age and high mileage, I don't feel it's advantageous
    >>to have it repaired. I'm going to buy another used vehicle.
    >>
    >>-- Christian
     
    CMM, Jan 12, 2006
    #8
  9. CMM

    CMM Guest

    On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:49:04 -0500, "maxpower"
    <> wrote:

    >"Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    >> week ago and was replaced.
    >>
    >> Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    >> flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    >> another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    >> shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >>

    >
    >If the engine lite came on a few times and flashed as you were driving it.
    >That would be a cylinder misfiring. Nothing to do with thte starter.
    >> It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    >> of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    >> the safe zone.
    >>
    >> Fault codes are:
    >> 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    >> 13
    >> 14
    >>

    >
    >These are map sensor fault codes which would cause a drivability problem and
    >may even cause a no start but also has nothing to do with the starter. I
    >would start by checking to make sure the map sensor is connected under the
    >hood. You dont say what engine you have therefore I cant tell you where the
    >sensor is located


    2.4L. Sorry I left that out.

    I'm pretty sure now that it's a blown head gasket, though I'm not sure
    why it temporarily wouldn't turn over.

    -- Christian
     
    CMM, Jan 12, 2006
    #9
  10. Dipstick

    Dipstick Guest

    <<<If that was the kind of answer I was looking for, do you think I
    would
    have to post to a newsgroup to get it?

    -- Christian >>>>

    If you expected more than that then you should have been more specific.
    You asked for "thoughts," nothing more. You gave no indication that you
    either did or were able to perform any troubleshooting. You gave no
    indication if you wanted help with the no-start problem or the MIL
    light/trouble codes, neither or both. Given the lack of detail in your
    request, I gave you what you asked for....my thoughts.
     
    Dipstick, Jan 12, 2006
    #10
  11. Ted Mittelstaedt, Jan 13, 2006
    #11
  12. "CMM" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:49:04 -0500, "maxpower"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>"Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    >>> week ago and was replaced.
    >>>
    >>> Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    >>> flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    >>> another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    >>> shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    >>>

    >>
    >>If the engine lite came on a few times and flashed as you were driving it.
    >>That would be a cylinder misfiring. Nothing to do with thte starter.
    >>> It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    >>> of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    >>> the safe zone.
    >>>
    >>> Fault codes are:
    >>> 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    >>> 13
    >>> 14
    >>>

    >>
    >>These are map sensor fault codes which would cause a drivability problem
    >>and
    >>may even cause a no start but also has nothing to do with the starter. I
    >>would start by checking to make sure the map sensor is connected under the
    >>hood. You dont say what engine you have therefore I cant tell you where
    >>the
    >>sensor is located

    >
    > 2.4L. Sorry I left that out.
    >
    > I'm pretty sure now that it's a blown head gasket, though I'm not sure
    > why it temporarily wouldn't turn over.
    >
    > -- Christian


    Engine was probably hydrolocked due to having a cylinder full of coolant
    that got forced into it past the blown gasket by the pressurized cooling
    system. I would be willing to bet that the hydrolocking caused damage to
    the rod, bearing, wrist pin, or piston that would evidence itself if you do
    replace the gasket.
     
    Daniel Armstrong, Jan 13, 2006
    #12
  13. "Daniel Armstrong" <> wrote in message
    news:s8Xxf.694421$x96.612345@attbi_s72...
    >
    > "CMM" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:49:04 -0500, "maxpower"
    > > <> wrote:
    > >
    > >>"Christian M. Mericle" <> wrote in message
    > >>news:...
    > >>> Recent History: About 192K miles. Leaks oil. Battery fried less than a
    > >>> week ago and was replaced.
    > >>>
    > >>> Tonight on my way home from work, the check engine light came on,
    > >>> flashed a few times, and then remained on steadily. I drove about
    > >>> another half mile before stopping at a local store. I shut engine off,
    > >>> shopped for about 5 minutes, and then tried to start it back up.
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>If the engine lite came on a few times and flashed as you were driving

    it.
    > >>That would be a cylinder misfiring. Nothing to do with thte starter.
    > >>> It sounds like the starter engages but only turns the motor a fraction
    > >>> of a turn (or not at all). Checked the oil and it is in the middle of
    > >>> the safe zone.
    > >>>
    > >>> Fault codes are:
    > >>> 12 -- Battery was recently replaced, as noted.
    > >>> 13
    > >>> 14
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>These are map sensor fault codes which would cause a drivability problem
    > >>and
    > >>may even cause a no start but also has nothing to do with the starter.

    I
    > >>would start by checking to make sure the map sensor is connected under

    the
    > >>hood. You dont say what engine you have therefore I cant tell you where
    > >>the
    > >>sensor is located

    > >
    > > 2.4L. Sorry I left that out.
    > >
    > > I'm pretty sure now that it's a blown head gasket, though I'm not sure
    > > why it temporarily wouldn't turn over.
    > >
    > > -- Christian

    >
    > Engine was probably hydrolocked due to having a cylinder full of coolant
    > that got forced into it past the blown gasket by the pressurized cooling
    > system. I would be willing to bet that the hydrolocking caused damage to
    > the rod, bearing, wrist pin, or piston that would evidence itself if you

    do
    > replace the gasket.
    >


    If it hydrolocked while the engine was running it would definitely do
    damage. But, if it hydrolocked just sitting there, and he went to start it
    and the engine wouldn't turn at all, the starter doesen't have enough power
    to damage these parts. Perhaps if the starter got it 3/4 of a revolution
    going then it hydrolocked that might be something but I doubt it.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Jan 14, 2006
    #13
  14. If it hydrolocked, it was after I shut it off. The engine didn't stall.
    It just wouldn't restart after I shut it down.

    -- Christian
     
    Christian M. Mericle, Jan 15, 2006
    #14
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