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Shawn Hirn
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      08-08-2005
My '98 Plymouth Breeze makes this gurgling sound after I park the car
and turn off the ignition. I opened up the hood one time recently when
my car was making that gurgling sound and I discovered that the sound is
coming from fluid that is flowing into the radiator's plastic tank. The
fluid is fairly clear though, no signs of rust. This gurgling sound is
quite noticeable. I can hear it in the car with the doors closed. I am
not sure, but I don't think the sound lasts too long.

My car has nearly 90,000 miles on it and I am good about having
maintenance done on it. This has been happening for the past few months.
I just took a two hour drive in this car and it ran great, but it
gurgled quite a bit at a rest stop and also, when I finally got home.

Is this sound a source for concern?

Thanks,

Shawn
 
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Joe Pfeiffer
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      08-08-2005
Shawn Hirn <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> My '98 Plymouth Breeze makes this gurgling sound after I park the car
> and turn off the ignition. I opened up the hood one time recently when
> my car was making that gurgling sound and I discovered that the sound is
> coming from fluid that is flowing into the radiator's plastic tank. The
> fluid is fairly clear though, no signs of rust. This gurgling sound is
> quite noticeable. I can hear it in the car with the doors closed. I am
> not sure, but I don't think the sound lasts too long.
>
> My car has nearly 90,000 miles on it and I am good about having
> maintenance done on it. This has been happening for the past few months.
> I just took a two hour drive in this car and it ran great, but it
> gurgled quite a bit at a rest stop and also, when I finally got home.
>
> Is this sound a source for concern?


Yes. When I've heard gurgling noises like that, they've been because
air is getting into the cooling system.... anything from a bad
radiator cap (try that first, on the grounds that it's the easiest
fix) to a cracked cylinder head.
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Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
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maxpower
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      08-08-2005

"Joe Pfeiffer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Shawn Hirn <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
> > My '98 Plymouth Breeze makes this gurgling sound after I park the car
> > and turn off the ignition. I opened up the hood one time recently when
> > my car was making that gurgling sound and I discovered that the sound is
> > coming from fluid that is flowing into the radiator's plastic tank. The
> > fluid is fairly clear though, no signs of rust. This gurgling sound is
> > quite noticeable. I can hear it in the car with the doors closed. I am
> > not sure, but I don't think the sound lasts too long.
> >
> > My car has nearly 90,000 miles on it and I am good about having
> > maintenance done on it. This has been happening for the past few months.
> > I just took a two hour drive in this car and it ran great, but it
> > gurgled quite a bit at a rest stop and also, when I finally got home.
> >
> > Is this sound a source for concern?

>
> Yes. When I've heard gurgling noises like that, they've been because
> air is getting into the cooling system.... anything from a bad
> radiator cap (try that first, on the grounds that it's the easiest
> fix) to a cracked cylinder head.
> --
> Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
> Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
> New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
> skype: jjpfeifferjr


That makes no sense at all...... when you turn the engine off and pressure
in the system is above the limit that the caps specs are (normally
13-16psi) this noise will occur to relieve the pressure and overflow to the
recovery tank..
A cracked cylinder head or blown head gasket would cause a overheating/loss
of coolant condition before a gurgling noise. And wouldnt a bad cap cause
loss of coolant before it would cause air to get into the system???


 
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Joe Pfeiffer
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      08-08-2005
"maxpower" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> >
> > Yes. When I've heard gurgling noises like that, they've been because
> > air is getting into the cooling system.... anything from a bad
> > radiator cap (try that first, on the grounds that it's the easiest
> > fix) to a cracked cylinder head.

>
> That makes no sense at all...... when you turn the engine off and pressure
> in the system is above the limit that the caps specs are (normally
> 13-16psi) this noise will occur to relieve the pressure and overflow to the
> recovery tank..


I've very seldom heard this from inside the car (though you're right,
sometimes it is audible). When I've heard the gurgling when I wasn't
actively listening for it, it's been from areas like inside the heater
core.

> A cracked cylinder head or blown head gasket would cause a overheating/loss
> of coolant condition before a gurgling noise. And wouldnt a bad cap cause
> loss of coolant before it would cause air to get into the system???


There's enough excess capacity in the system that you can have some
air in the system before you start overheating.

I've had "one-way" cooling system leaks twice; once from a head gasket
and once from a cracked head. Pressure caused overflow into the
overflow tank as expected, but when the engine cooled down and a
vacuum formed in the cooling system, it pulled in air through the leak
instead of from the overflow tank.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
skype: jjpfeifferjr
 
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      08-08-2005

"Joe Pfeiffer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "maxpower" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> > >
> > > Yes. When I've heard gurgling noises like that, they've been because
> > > air is getting into the cooling system.... anything from a bad
> > > radiator cap (try that first, on the grounds that it's the easiest
> > > fix) to a cracked cylinder head.

> >
> > That makes no sense at all...... when you turn the engine off and

pressure
> > in the system is above the limit that the caps specs are (normally
> > 13-16psi) this noise will occur to relieve the pressure and overflow to

the
> > recovery tank..

>
> I've very seldom heard this from inside the car (though you're right,
> sometimes it is audible). When I've heard the gurgling when I wasn't
> actively listening for it, it's been from areas like inside the heater
> core.
>
> > A cracked cylinder head or blown head gasket would cause a

overheating/loss
> > of coolant condition before a gurgling noise. And wouldnt a bad cap

cause
> > loss of coolant before it would cause air to get into the system???

>
> There's enough excess capacity in the system that you can have some
> air in the system before you start overheating.
>
> I've had "one-way" cooling system leaks twice; once from a head gasket
> and once from a cracked head. Pressure caused overflow into the
> overflow tank as expected, but when the engine cooled down and a
> vacuum formed in the cooling system, it pulled in air through the leak
> instead of from the overflow tank.


Yes but if you are getting pressure into the cooling system by means of the
combustion system you will be raising the engine temp. I forget how many
degrees the temp raises for each PSI.

Just curious but when you experienced those two problems didnt you notice
the temperature gauge rising?
> --
> Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
> Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
> New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
> skype: jjpfeifferjr



 
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      08-08-2005
maxpower wrote:

> "Joe Pfeiffer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>Shawn Hirn <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>
>>
>>>My '98 Plymouth Breeze makes this gurgling sound after I park the car
>>>and turn off the ignition. I opened up the hood one time recently when
>>>my car was making that gurgling sound and I discovered that the sound is
>>>coming from fluid that is flowing into the radiator's plastic tank. The
>>>fluid is fairly clear though, no signs of rust. This gurgling sound is
>>>quite noticeable. I can hear it in the car with the doors closed. I am
>>>not sure, but I don't think the sound lasts too long.
>>>
>>>My car has nearly 90,000 miles on it and I am good about having
>>>maintenance done on it. This has been happening for the past few months.
>>>I just took a two hour drive in this car and it ran great, but it
>>>gurgled quite a bit at a rest stop and also, when I finally got home.
>>>
>>>Is this sound a source for concern?

>>
>>Yes. When I've heard gurgling noises like that, they've been because
>>air is getting into the cooling system.... anything from a bad
>>radiator cap (try that first, on the grounds that it's the easiest
>>fix) to a cracked cylinder head.
>>--
>>Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
>>Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
>>New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
>> skype: jjpfeifferjr

>
>
> That makes no sense at all...... when you turn the engine off and pressure
> in the system is above the limit that the caps specs are (normally
> 13-16psi) this noise will occur to relieve the pressure and overflow to the
> recovery tank..


Actually, it makes perfect sense. As long as the engine is running,
coolant is flowing. When you shut the engine off, the heat soaked into
the cylinder heads gets transferred to the (now stagnant) coolant in the
heads and the local coolant temperature skyrockets. If the radiator cap
isn't strong enough to maintain pressure, the coolant in the heads will
boil and you get a gurgling noise and coolant puking into the recovery
tank (or onto the ground in non-recovery systems). I've seen that on
cars made from 1949 until the present, so its nothing new or unusual at all.

 
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      08-08-2005

"Steve" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> maxpower wrote:
>
> > "Joe Pfeiffer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >>Shawn Hirn <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>My '98 Plymouth Breeze makes this gurgling sound after I park the car
> >>>and turn off the ignition. I opened up the hood one time recently when
> >>>my car was making that gurgling sound and I discovered that the sound

is
> >>>coming from fluid that is flowing into the radiator's plastic tank. The
> >>>fluid is fairly clear though, no signs of rust. This gurgling sound is
> >>>quite noticeable. I can hear it in the car with the doors closed. I am
> >>>not sure, but I don't think the sound lasts too long.
> >>>
> >>>My car has nearly 90,000 miles on it and I am good about having
> >>>maintenance done on it. This has been happening for the past few

months.
> >>>I just took a two hour drive in this car and it ran great, but it
> >>>gurgled quite a bit at a rest stop and also, when I finally got home.
> >>>
> >>>Is this sound a source for concern?
> >>
> >>Yes. When I've heard gurgling noises like that, they've been because
> >>air is getting into the cooling system.... anything from a bad
> >>radiator cap (try that first, on the grounds that it's the easiest
> >>fix) to a cracked cylinder head.
> >>--
> >>Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
> >>Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
> >>New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
> >> skype: jjpfeifferjr

> >
> >
> > That makes no sense at all...... when you turn the engine off and

pressure
> > in the system is above the limit that the caps specs are (normally
> > 13-16psi) this noise will occur to relieve the pressure and overflow to

the
> > recovery tank..

>
> Actually, it makes perfect sense. As long as the engine is running,
> coolant is flowing. When you shut the engine off, the heat soaked into
> the cylinder heads gets transferred to the (now stagnant) coolant in the
> heads and the local coolant temperature skyrockets. If the radiator cap
> isn't strong enough to maintain pressure, the coolant in the heads will
> boil and you get a gurgling noise and coolant puking into the recovery
> tank (or onto the ground in non-recovery systems). I've seen that on
> cars made from 1949 until the present, so its nothing new or unusual at

all.
>


hmm. I think that is what I said?


 
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      08-08-2005
"maxpower" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> "Joe Pfeiffer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > "maxpower" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> >
> > > A cracked cylinder head or blown head gasket would cause a

> overheating/loss
> > > of coolant condition before a gurgling noise. And wouldnt a bad cap

> cause
> > > loss of coolant before it would cause air to get into the system???

> >
> > There's enough excess capacity in the system that you can have some
> > air in the system before you start overheating.
> >
> > I've had "one-way" cooling system leaks twice; once from a head gasket
> > and once from a cracked head. Pressure caused overflow into the
> > overflow tank as expected, but when the engine cooled down and a
> > vacuum formed in the cooling system, it pulled in air through the leak
> > instead of from the overflow tank.

>
> Yes but if you are getting pressure into the cooling system by means of the
> combustion system you will be raising the engine temp. I forget how many
> degrees the temp raises for each PSI.


We're talking slow leaks here -- and as you pointed out, the radiator
cap doesn't let the pressure actually rise. Besides which, I'm
drawing a complete blank on how increasing the pressure in the coolant
system could raise the temperature -- the thermostat and the engine
fans aren't sensitive to the pressure. If it were a thermodynamically
closed system then raising pressure would raise temperature (ideal gas
law), but of course it isn't -- that's its whole point.

> Just curious but when you experienced those two problems didnt you notice
> the temperature gauge rising?


Not immediately. There was several weeks between the sound starting
and my temp starting to climb.
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      08-08-2005

Shawn Hirn wrote:
> My '98 Plymouth Breeze makes this gurgling sound after I park the car
> and turn off the ignition. I opened up the hood one time recently when
> my car was making that gurgling sound and I discovered that the sound is
> coming from fluid that is flowing into the radiator's plastic tank. The
> fluid is fairly clear though, no signs of rust. This gurgling sound is
> quite noticeable. I can hear it in the car with the doors closed. I am
> not sure, but I don't think the sound lasts too long.
>
> My car has nearly 90,000 miles on it and I am good about having
> maintenance done on it. This has been happening for the past few months.
> I just took a two hour drive in this car and it ran great, but it
> gurgled quite a bit at a rest stop and also, when I finally got home.
>
> Is this sound a source for concern?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn


Since your Breeze is a 1998, and most likely has the 2.0 or 2.4 engine,
it would not hurt to have the head gasket checked. There is a known
problem with the gasket on this model. When mine started to leak, oil
would drip from the left rear corner of the head.

-Kirk Matheson

 
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